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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6370682/2025/05/20/mitch-marner-maple-leafs-contract-nhl/ Part of me doesn't even want to bother replying to this because we obviously rely on the reporting of others, who generally cannot just name their actual sources if it isn't official, and if you don't...

They already tried signing Marner mid-season. He's not coming back.

Media narrative? He was offered 8x$13+ in the middle of the season and he said no. He's not coming back because he doesn't want to come back. I wouldn't put this on some sort of narrative.

If they're RFA then the negotiations going forward have to be better than what we've had in the past.

No news yet on the rest of the management group speaking eh?

At this point I really don't care if any of this is kept together. I've seen enough over the last however many years. The first half was wasted and the next half we gave everything to great regular season RFAs when we didn't have to. I'm really sour on pretty much everyone not named Stolarz and...

100% with you here. I mean we've talked about this for years. Its not just salary, but also value in high pressure situations. If you can't thrive on high pressure and the mix is off then it really doesn't matter how much the lines cost, it's are they bringing value on those contracts and and...

Alex Steeves lol. Like do we really think that was the solution?

I mean yeah, that's true of lots of star players, but I doubt the Leafs even want him at 12-12.5. There's rumours that the Leafs offered him a very sizable deal mid-season. I don't think Marner wants to come back and I think the Leafs pull that offer even if he does.

I love cw but that defense of Marner does not look great in retrospect. Marner refused to negotiate or sign during the year and it sounds like the Leafs org felt like they may be getting strung along so had a deal ready in the event that Marner wanted out. CW said you can't make Marner mad...

Like I said. They should've traded one of them if they were getting taken to the cleaners in negotiations. They needed to run the team efficiently in the here and now and not just have an assumption that the cap will just go up because their contracts are still fairly expensive even up to this...

With that Marner quote there's no way he resigns. They kept trying to sign him mid season at a fairly high number from what I've heard. He's gone.

And if this isn't the obvious stat to show that this team and staff needs major change then I don't know what is.

He's going to get bridged for sure.

My silver lining is Shanhahan is gone and the org now has a lot of data points vs. say a team like Vegas in the need to be ruthless in pursuit of winning. Its like we recreated the Muskoka 5 for a new generation. No more niceties. You want to take the team to the mat in negotiation and squeeze...

It literally does not matter if you rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. Even Matthews should be fair game. The core is tainted and they will never get the demons out of their heads until management plays hardball and becomes ruthless like Vegas. Time for Shanny to go. Its been 10yrs. I'm...

I highly doubt Berube or Tre go anywhere.

This is ungood.

Weathered the early storm. Better play in the last 5. Good chances by Nylander and Laughton.

Great game overall. Ready to have my hard stabbed repeatedly by a Game 7 loss (but maybe hopefully not??)