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Anaheim Scouting Leafs games: Lindholm? Fowler?

herman

herman

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Lance Hornby noted Ducks' scouting presence on the Leafs' most recent western road trip. http://www.torontosun.com/2016/10/23/maple-leafs-andersen-must-improve

Ducks in cap trouble with Lindholm still waiting for a contract while the team is only about 500k under the cap at the moment.

https://twitter.com/MurphysLaw74/status/790054554440196102
The 'will' here, btw should say 'willing'
 
Fair warning, Jimmy Murphy is kinda a joke when it comes to rumour-mongering.

Just some examples (via @twolinepass):

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CarltonTheBear said:
Fair warning, Jimmy Murphy is kinda a joke when it comes to rumour-mongering.
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Haha, yeah.

Bob Murray tells me, and I quote, on the Hampus Lindholm trade rumors:
"He's full of [$#!7]."
? Travis Yost (@travisyost) October 23, 2016
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Without saying anything about the veracity of the report, I think we need to stop getting excited about a team effectively saying they'd be willing to swap what they have for something exactly the same.

Like, I'd be willing to trade Matthews for an equal or greater young talent too. Stop the presses.
 
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hampus-lindholm-trade-rumours-anaheim-ducks-rfa-unsigned-simon-despres-ltir/

More verified sources say
Murray and his top-pair defenceman have narrowed the gap in negotiations to approximately $250,000 per season on a six-year deal
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I don't see where his cap space will be coming from, but I think Nik's quarters for a dollar idea in the Michalek/Smith thread has legs.
 
herman said:
I think Nik's quarters for a dollar idea in the Michalek/Smith thread has legs.
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That would be nice, but, I imagine, it's more likely to be 3 nickles (at least one of which turns out to be wooden) for a dime.
 
herman said:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hampus-lindholm-trade-rumours-anaheim-ducks-rfa-unsigned-simon-despres-ltir/

More verified sources say
Murray and his top-pair defenceman have narrowed the gap in negotiations to approximately $250,000 per season on a six-year deal
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I don't see where his cap space will be coming from, but I think Nik's quarters for a dollar idea in the Michalek/Smith thread has legs.
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Maybe Murray is going to put some drugs in Bieksa's bag before the next road trip?
 
Depres' concussion putting him into LTIR temporarily helps Murray's cause, but it's pretty much a given that somebody will be moved out.
 
bustaheims said:
That would be nice, but, I imagine, it's more likely to be 3 nickles (at least one of which turns out to be wooden) for a dime.
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I don't even see that happening. If they move somebody like Fowler or Vatanen they can probably find a team willing to pay a fair price for those defencemen. And if they move somebody like Bieksa or Stoner then Anaheim will be the one liking adding picks or prospects to make those players attractive.
 
If Anaheim really has any interest in trading Lindholm ( which seems impossible to me ) they have to get something incredibly valuable back that doesn't include salary. Would you offer an unprotected first to get him? I think I would.
 
Tigger said:
If Anaheim really has any interest in trading Lindholm ( which seems impossible to me ) they have to get something incredibly valuable back that doesn't include salary. Would you offer an unprotected first to get him? I think I would.
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It's an interesting question. I think you'd have to look at it in the context Burke often said he talked about the Kessel trade in, where the possibility of the surrendered picks being as high as #1 was taken into consideration.

So I'd need to know a little more about Patrick and especially Liljegren. If his upside wasn't all that much higher than Lindholm's, sure I'd offer the unprotected 1st(and more). If, however, there was a real possibility that he could be that legit Norris-contender type...I'd have to think pretty hard on it.
 
Tigger said:
If Anaheim really has any interest in trading Lindholm ( which seems impossible to me ) they have to get something incredibly valuable back that doesn't include salary. Would you offer an unprotected first to get him? I think I would.
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With this young team, and the terrible history of trading 1st picks ? top 10 protected or Hell no.
 
Nik the Trik said:
So I'd need to know a little more about Patrick and especially Liljegren. If his upside wasn't all that much higher than Lindholm's, sure I'd offer the unprotected 1st(and more). If, however, there was a real possibility that he could be that legit Norris-contender type...I'd have to think pretty hard on it.
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I've read a couple reports that have Patrick pegged as more of a high-end 2nd line center, but, Liljegren seems to be generally viewed as a top-pairing, potential #1 guy. I get the feeling that Patrick is being ranked higher right now mostly due to the fact that he's been expected to be the top guy in this draft since people started put lists together for it a year or so ago.
 
bustaheims said:
Nik the Trik said:
So I'd need to know a little more about Patrick and especially Liljegren. If his upside wasn't all that much higher than Lindholm's, sure I'd offer the unprotected 1st(and more). If, however, there was a real possibility that he could be that legit Norris-contender type...I'd have to think pretty hard on it.
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I've read a couple reports that have Patrick pegged as more of a high-end 2nd line center, but, Liljegren seems to be generally viewed as a top-pairing, potential #1 guy. I get the feeling that Patrick is being ranked higher right now mostly due to the fact that he's been expected to be the top guy in this draft since people started put lists together for it a year or so ago.
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That's what always confused me about the rankings.  Here we have a center, he probably wouldn't have gone in the top 10 of this years draft.  He's projected to be more of a #2.  He's going to get ranked 1st.  Then we have this d-man, he is the best d-man in this draft and it isn't even close.  He is projected to be a stud #1 d-man.  Lets rank him 2nd.
 
bustaheims said:
I've read a couple reports that have Patrick pegged as more of a high-end 2nd line center, but, Liljegren seems to be generally viewed as a top-pairing, potential #1 guy. I get the feeling that Patrick is being ranked higher right now mostly due to the fact that he's been expected to be the top guy in this draft since people started put lists together for it a year or so ago.
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Yeah, I guess what I mean is more that I'd need to have more information personally about these guys. So, like, are we talking about Liljegren as a #1 in the sense of a Karlsson? Pietrangelo? Josi?
 
Nolan Patrick, of the little bits and pieces I have seen of him really doesn't strike me as the guy the Leafs should target.

Even this year with 9 points in 6 games doesn't strike me as a guy who should be the #1 pick.  Over his WHL career he has 168 points in 136 games.  Good stats, but not outright #1 stats. 

With the Leafs being pretty set in terms of quality forward depth (maybe could use a winger or two) but lacking in a top 4 defenseman or two, I think I would be leaning toward Lligegren at this point.

The Leafs very well could score enough to win their share of points but I think they are also going to have a lot of games like last night where goaltending/defense can't hold leads or younger players will make mistakes and take penalties trying to compensate.  The team still has a decent chance of being in the bottom 5.  Outside of maybe Phoenix, Carolina and Columbus I'm having a hard time identifying a team that is outright worse than the Leafs on paper.

It would have to be a pretty spectacular player coming back if the Leafs aren't at least top 3 protecting their pick.
 
http://theleafsnation.com/2017/2/9/why-the-brandon-montour-to-toronto-speculation-makes-no-sense

It was a boring day for TSN since the Leafs didn't practice after the B2B. So naturally they're going to slot in Nylander into every possible trade conversation. Or at least try to.
 
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