Getting Out Shot Every Night!!!

[Capital Leaf]

Anyone concerned with the fact that we get out-shot night in and night out?
In April we got out shot 11 out of 12 games.......at some point its going to catch up to you!

Any theories as to why we get out-shot so badly?  The only one I can think of is that when we have the lead we sit back and don't attack.....

 

[MetalRaven]

We don't possess the puck enough, lots of giveaways and from what I can see very weak along the boards and not enough players willing to go to the corners...when they dump the puck in they go for the man and leave the puck (seen it a few times) which almost always leads to the opposition clearing the zone...we need Renberg

 

[Jalili]

Yeah, puck possession is a big reason why.

Patrce Bergeron is a prime example of tilting puck possession in the Bruins favour. You'll see him consistently winning battles along the boards and he's tops in the league at winning faceoffs. Plus he's a terrific two-way player, like a star version of McClement.

Another reason they get out-shot is the defense, they suffer from a lot of questionable decision-making from the back-end. That leads to more chances for the opposition.

 

[Brystine]

That's a product of this team.

They possess very weak if not non-existent board work, which includes cycling in and out of our zone. This type of play encourages possession of the puck, helps establish offensive zone setup, and makes it easier for a team to play defense, since shoveling it along the boards will become an option you can control. It is also a major part of playing dump and chase, since most every dump is no doubt followed by a battle along the boards.

The Leafs don't have this, which leads to giveaways, low offensive zone time, low puck possession time, hemmed in our own zone and so on and so forth.

We saw all this come together tonight against a team that plays that style so much better than we do.

The unfortunate thing is that it's not fixable without bringing in new players, so it's unlikely to change in the course of the last 3 games we have remaining.

 

[TML fan]

In the defensive zone:

They collapse on the goalie and clog the middle of the ice, allowing point and perimeter shots. Wingers are never in position, usually because they're too tired to get there, or they leave the zone before the D has a chance to get set up. A big problem too, is that most of their forwards are not good two way players and don't anticipate well.

Too many turnovers, and I'm not just talking about the Kadri giving it away at the blue line kind. They flip the puck out too much, with no puck support. Centre man is behind the net. Gives them puck support down low in their own end but none in transition.

Basically, Carlyle has them playing desperation defence. It's basically what bad teams who are completely overmatched do to win hockey games. It is an ultimately self-defeating strategy.

On offence:

Leafs do not forecheck. Period. If they have the puck, it's all dandy. If they don't, it's one guy deep, two guys high. You will NEVER recover the puck that way, unless the other team screws up. So the only shots they are getting are off the rush or on the powerplay. Sure, there's the odd time they carry it deep and play around with it for a bit, but it's not enough to sustain them for an entire game.

All the stuff Brystine said about puck battles is true too. A lot has to do with lack of puck support.

 

[bbt]

Carlye has them playing a defensive style game because the Leafs defensivemen are so weak.  Defense not talanted or fast enough to jump up into the play.  No run and gun.  No one in front of net in offensive zone (exception JVR)....we were expecting too much from a team that has a lousy defensive core (exposed last nite) and a offensive core that is inexperienced and not allowed to display their individual talents in fear of being benched.  This is a fearful hockey team (exposed last nite).  Boston was a fearless hockey team last nite.  4 zip series looks very attainable.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Patrce Bergeron is a prime example of tilting puck possession in the Bruins favour. You'll see him consistently winning battles along the boards and he's tops in the league at winning faceoffs. Plus he's a terrific two-way player, like a star version of McClement.

Read this stat on Twitter last night:

At 5v5 since 2010, when Bergeron/Chara are on the ice together, the Bruins have outscored the opposition 74-25.

That's impressive.

 

[Corn Flake]

The 99-00 Leafs were outshot all the time too. They did ok. I think it's a product of a young team still learning nuances of the game, a defense that isn't terribly adept at clearing the zone when under a lot of pressure, plus a bit of Carlyle's system that pushes opponents to the outside and they take a lot of low percentage shots from outside 20 feet.

 

[Capital Leaf]

TML you mention flipping the puck out and desperation defense....basically their D often panic with the puck....that makes me think someone like Gardiner should be inserted because he has poise and confidence with the puck therefore giving us more puck possession.

Matt Frattin should also be inserted, we need more skill up front.  I really don't understand why both those guys are not dressed in the first place.

 

[Crucialness Key]

Matt Frattin should also be inserted, we need more skill up front.  I really don't understand why both those guys are not dressed in the first place.

#ReleaseTheFrattin

 

[TML fan]

TML you mention flipping the puck out and desperation defense....basically their D often panic with the puck....that makes me think someone like Gardiner should be inserted because he has poise and confidence with the puck therefore giving us more puck possession.

Matt Frattin should also be inserted, we need more skill up front.  I really don't understand why both those guys are not dressed in the first place.

I agree with that. Flipping the puck out of the zone isn't necessarily a bad play, but doing it with no puck support is just a turnover.

Gardiner sucks defensively, but he has poise, can make passes or skate the puck out of danger. If the Leafs play with the puck more his weaknesses won't be as exposed.

As for Frattin. It's a no-brainer. He should always be playing. I'm just convinced that Carlyle has no brain.

 

[bustaheims]

The Leafs' winning percentage when being outshot: .583
The Leafs' winning percentage when outshooting their opponent: .417

Being outshot isn't the issue, it's sloppy play in the neutral zone, giveaways and losing puck battles that are costing them games right now.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

The Leafs' winning percentage when being outshot: .583
The Leafs' winning percentage when outshooting their opponent: .417

Being outshot isn't the issue, it's sloppy play in the neutral zone, giveaways and losing puck battles that are costing them games right now.

Their winning % is high when being outshot because they had an unsustainable high shooting percentage for the shortened season, the shorter season not allowing it to regress to the mean as it typically would.  It was the highest in the league at 5on5: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/teamstats.php?disp=1&db=201213&sit=5v5&sort=SHPCT&sortdir=DESC

Since 07-08 only Washington has gone an 82 game season with a SH% of 10% or higher.  The Leafs got lucky this season with their SH%.

 

[bustaheims]

Their winning % is high when being outshot because they had an unsustainable high shooting percentage for the shortened season, the shorter season not allowing it to regress to the mean as it typically would.  It was the highest in the league at 5on5: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/teamstats.php?disp=1&db=201213&sit=5v5&sort=SHPCT&sortdir=DESC

Since 07-08 only Washington has gone an 82 game season with a SH% of 10% or higher.  The Leafs got lucky this season with their SH%.

It's not just this year, though. In 5 of the previous 7 season, the team has had a better winning percentage when being outshot than when they've outshot their opponents. Now, sure, that's not exactly the hallmark of a good team or anything, but, it still points to shot totals not being the real issue.

 

[Kin]

I'll tell you what the real issue is. Leadership.

 

[Corn Flake]

I'll tell you what the real issue is. Leadership.

Is that issue ahead or behind "not enough pre-game tacos" ?

 

[TML fan]

The Leafs' winning percentage when being outshot: .583
The Leafs' winning percentage when outshooting their opponent: .417

Being outshot isn't the issue, it's sloppy play in the neutral zone, giveaways and losing puck battles that are costing them games right now.

It's not just the fact they are getting outshot. It's the staggering shot differential. They are symptoms of a larger problem, that being that the Leafs just aren't a very good team.

 

[Kin]

Is that issue ahead or behind "not enough pre-game tacos" ?

Leadership. The Leafs don't have enough. Or Boston has too much. Either way, our Leadership Quotient is a pitiful -14.8. Combined with our 30th percentile compete level it's bad news.

 

[Corn Flake]

Is that issue ahead or behind "not enough pre-game tacos" ?

Leadership. The Leafs don't have enough. Or Boston has too much. Either way, our Leadership Quotient is a pitiful -14.8. Combined with our 30th percentile compete level it's bad news.

Do NOT forget about the intangibles-o-meter, which was reading off the charts last Tuesday or so.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Their winning % is high when being outshot because they had an unsustainable high shooting percentage for the shortened season, the shorter season not allowing it to regress to the mean as it typically would.  It was the highest in the league at 5on5: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/teamstats.php?disp=1&db=201213&sit=5v5&sort=SHPCT&sortdir=DESC

Since 07-08 only Washington has gone an 82 game season with a SH% of 10% or higher.  The Leafs got lucky this season with their SH%.

It's not just this year, though. In 5 of the previous 7 season, the team has had a better winning percentage when being outshot than when they've outshot their opponents. Now, sure, that's not exactly the hallmark of a good team or anything, but, it still points to shot totals not being the real issue.

There are a number of teams like that, so I'm sure there's something going on.  Score effects?

But I don't even think it's necessarily being outshot, it's the degree to which they're being outshot.  I forget the stat but the Leafs are the first team since 2002 or something to make the playoffs with a shot differential like this.