Leafs worth 1.15 billion according to Forbes

[Kin]

The Leafs are the World's 26th most valuable sports franchise according to Forbes in their just released list of the 50 most valuable sports franchises.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mli45ejlgl/26-toronto-maple-leafs/

They're the only hockey team on the list.  Real Madrid, Barcelona and Manchester United have the top three spots.

 

[Sudafederov]

IIRC several years back, Dave Taylor the GM of the Kings took the unprecedented step of hiring an independent financial analyst to come in and examine the team's books to demonstrate how false the number listed in Forbes was.

 

[Kin]

IIRC several years back, Dave Taylor the GM of the Kings took the unprecedented step of hiring an independent financial analyst to come in and examine the team's books to demonstrate how false the number listed in Forbes was.

Thing is, just about every time a team gets sold they get sold for considerably more than what Forbes pegs them at. Two NBA teams got sold this year. The Clippers, who Forbes valued at 430 million, were sold for 2 billion dollars. The Milwaukee Bucks, who Forbes valued at 312 million, got sold for 550 million despite the fact that there were almost certainly bigger offers on the table(the sale was conditional on the Bucks staying in Milwaukee). The last NHL team to be sold were the Panthers who were valued at 170 million by Forbes in 2012. They went for 230 million.

So if the numbers may very well be off but they sure don't seem low.

 

[Deebo]

Thing is, just about every time a team gets sold they get sold for considerably more than what Forbes pegs them at. Two NBA teams got sold this year. The Clippers, who Forbes valued at 430 million, were sold for 2 billion dollars. The Milwaukee Bucks, who Forbes valued at 312 million, got sold for 550 million despite the fact that there were almost certainly bigger offers on the table(the sale was conditional on the Bucks staying in Milwaukee). The last NHL team to be sold were the Panthers who were valued at 170 million by Forbes in 2012. They went for 230 million.

So if the numbers may very well be off but they sure don't seem low.

Forbes had the Leafs valued at $470M in 2009, then 505 in 2010 then 520 in 2011.

Rogers/Bell bought MLSE in 2012 and their valuation jumped to 1B.

 

[Kin]

Forbes had the Leafs valued at $470M in 2009, then 505 in 2010 then 520 in 2011.

Rogers/Bell bought MLSE in 2012 and their valuation jumped to 1B.

Good time to own a sports team.

 

[Rebel_1812]

IIRC several years back, Dave Taylor the GM of the Kings took the unprecedented step of hiring an independent financial analyst to come in and examine the team's books to demonstrate how false the number listed in Forbes was.

independent may be the key word there.  Your not going to stay self employed long if you don't tell your customers what they want to hear.  There is a lot of way to manipulate financial data.

 

[Boston Leaf]

I could care less where the Leafs are ranked or how much the franchise is worth. Doesnt help them being a winner one bit..

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Forbes had the Leafs valued at $470M in 2009, then 505 in 2010 then 520 in 2011.

Rogers/Bell bought MLSE in 2012 and their valuation jumped to 1B.

Good time to own a sports team.

I can't believe that the Clippers sold for 2 Billion. That is an incredible profit, just looking at the original or current "value".

 

[Optimus Reimer]

1.15 billion and they cannot afford to hire a decent coach, or maybe even have a playoff game?

 

[Corn Flake]

1.15 billion and they cannot afford to hire a decent coach, or maybe even have a playoff game?

It's kind of sad how nearly every thread in this place ends up degrading into a repetitive bitch-fest about Carlyle. 

 

[Rebel_1812]

Forbes had the Leafs valued at $470M in 2009, then 505 in 2010 then 520 in 2011.

Rogers/Bell bought MLSE in 2012 and their valuation jumped to 1B.

Good time to own a sports team.

I can't believe that the Clippers sold for 2 Billion. That is an incredible profit, just looking at the original or current "value".

Yes, during their lockouts when they want their numbers to look poor; they never seem to include capital gains.

 

[hockeyfan1]

They (the Leafs)are the world's most valuable (& richest) hockey team/franchise.

Not to be confused with the Montreal Canadiens, dubbed one of the world's most successful sports franchise with 24 (Stanley Cup) championships.
First are the Yankees with 26 championships.



North American sports franchises (Top 16) -- Leafs are 16th on the list
http://xfinity.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-franchises/15/

 

[Optimus Reimer]

1.15 billion and they cannot afford to hire a decent coach, or maybe even have a playoff game?

It's kind of sad how nearly every thread in this place ends up degrading into a repetitive witch-fest about Carlyle.

Maybe because most Leaf fans blame Carlyle for the plutonic collapse last season?

 

[Kin]

Forbes had the Leafs valued at $470M in 2009, then 505 in 2010 then 520 in 2011.

Rogers/Bell bought MLSE in 2012 and their valuation jumped to 1B.

Good time to own a sports team.

I can't believe that the Clippers sold for 2 Billion. That is an incredible profit, just looking at the original or current "value".

I've linked to it a couple times before but there's a great Malcolm Gladwell article on Grantland about how, for the purposes of their sales, sports teams are less like businesses and more like pieces of art.

http://grantland.com/features/psychic-benefits-nba-lockout/

The Clippers didn't sell for 2 billion because they were worth 2 billion dollars in any sort of actual business sense. They sold for 2 billion dollars because owning a basketball team in Los Angeles has all sorts of benefits beyond profits and losses. Forbes, to their credit, tries to ignore that sort of thing when setting franchise values.

 

[rdowdall]

Forbes had the Leafs valued at $470M in 2009, then 505 in 2010 then 520 in 2011.

Rogers/Bell bought MLSE in 2012 and their valuation jumped to 1B.

Good time to own a sports team.

I can't believe that the Clippers sold for 2 Billion. That is an incredible profit, just looking at the original or current "value".

I've linked to it a couple times before but there's a great Malcolm Gladwell article on Grantland about how, for the purposes of their sales, sports teams are less like businesses and more like pieces of art.

http://grantland.com/features/psychic-benefits-nba-lockout/

The Clippers didn't sell for 2 billion because they were worth 2 billion dollars in any sort of actual business sense. They sold for 2 billion dollars because owning a basketball team in Los Angeles has all sorts of benefits beyond profits and losses. Forbes, to their credit, tries to ignore that sort of thing when setting franchise values.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/would-the-maple-leafs-be-even-more-valuable-if-they-were-actually-good/

This article has some brief insight in to how Forbes calculates the valuations.

 

[moon111]

They (the Leafs)are the world's most valuable (& richest) hockey team/franchise.

Not to be confused with the Montreal Canadiens, dubbed one of the world's most successful sports franchise with 24 (Stanley Cup) championships.
First are the Yankees with 26 championships.



North American sports franchises (Top 16) -- Leafs are 16th on the list
http://xfinity.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-franchises/15/

If you take the year the Habs won the Cup and take on all the following seasons, the Leafs still have more playoff rounds under their belt, even with the dark days of the salary cap era.

 

[hockeyfan1]

They (the Leafs)are the world's most valuable (& richest) hockey team/franchise.

Not to be confused with the Montreal Canadiens, dubbed one of the world's most successful sports franchise with 24 (Stanley Cup) championships.
First are the Yankees with 26 championships.



North American sports franchises (Top 16) -- Leafs are 16th on the list
http://xfinity.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-franchises/15/

If you take the year the Habs won the Cup and take on all the following seasons, the Leafs still have more playoff rounds under their belt, even with the dark days of the salary cap era.