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Trading Franson and then resign?

Seymore Pucks

Seymore Pucks

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If Franson wants to stay in Toronto but they can't meet the price before the trade deadline, is it still possible to trade him to a contender for a return then resign him in the off season because he wants to be a Leaf?  Sorry if thats a dumb question.  Can you not trade then re-sign?

Thanks
 
If they're not willing to sign him to the contract he's looking for now, why would they be willing to in the summer? Franson's demands aren't going to drop when he hits the open market. If anything, they're going to grow.

Also, the major issue will still remain - until the Leafs move out a contract or two, they simply cannot afford to commit to him long-term.
 
bustaheims said:
If they're not willing to sign him to the contract he's looking for now, why would they be willing to in the summer? Franson's demands aren't going to drop when he hits the open market. If anything, they're going to grow.
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Unless the Leafs can unload some contracts from now until sometime in the offseason when they could resign him?  I dont really care if he is back or not but we need some return for him regardless.  I also wasnt sure if you were allowed to trade then resign back to your old team. 
 
Sorry, but he needs to go.  Nothing against Franson, but he shouldn't be part of the core and we should get as much as we can for him.  Same with the other UFAs we have.  If we do a rebuild, let's do it every year we can without a complete tank.

Long time listener, rarely a caller.
 
To actually answer your question, yes the Leafs could trade him away and re-sign him. However, as you can see, I don't think most people think that would be a good idea.
 
Seymore Pucks said:
bustaheims said:
If they're not willing to sign him to the contract he's looking for now, why would they be willing to in the summer? Franson's demands aren't going to drop when he hits the open market. If anything, they're going to grow.
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Unless the Leafs can unload some contracts from now until sometime in the offseason when they could resign him?  I dont really care if he is back or not but we need some return for him regardless.  I also wasnt sure if you were allowed to trade then resign back to your old team.
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As others have pointed out, you can re-sign a player in the off season. You may be thinking of buy-outs where you can't re-sign the player after buying them out.
 
Bullfrog said:
Seymore Pucks said:
bustaheims said:
If they're not willing to sign him to the contract he's looking for now, why would they be willing to in the summer? Franson's demands aren't going to drop when he hits the open market. If anything, they're going to grow.
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Unless the Leafs can unload some contracts from now until sometime in the offseason when they could resign him?  I dont really care if he is back or not but we need some return for him regardless.  I also wasnt sure if you were allowed to trade then resign back to your old team.
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As others have pointed out, you can re-sign a player in the off season. You may be thinking of buy-outs where you can't re-sign the player after buying them out.
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Just wasn't sure about the resigning after trades but thanks for clearing it up. 
I happy to build a D around Reilly after this season and I would like to see Gardiner over before Phanuef. 
 
Atomic Maple Leaf and Seymore Pucks, please by all means commence posting, the more the merrier and everyones view is welcome.
 
Highlander said:
Atomic Maple Leaf and Seymore Pucks, please by all means commence posting, the more the merrier and everyones view is welcome.
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Thanks.  My time zone is a little different then most on here (New Zealand) but will try to post more. 
 
I am not opposed to keeping Franson at a reasonable price as long as we can move Phaneuf. That should be the biggest goal of the Leafs right now. If they could get Phaneuf's $7 million off the books, giving Franson a raise wouldn't be so hard to take. Rielly would simply take Phanuef place on number 1 pairing. Call up Percy as the 3rd left d-man. If Granberg shows himself capable, buy-out Robidas, and pair him with Percy on the third defence, or maybe Holtzer. Let them battle for that spot. Gardiner and Polak, 3-4. This unless there is an upgrade available somewhere.
But personally, I sooner see Phaneuf and a centre packaged for an upgrade at centre. Phaneuf, Holland and something for Ryan O'Reilly. Is that doable?
 
Highlander said:
How about the P, and Bozak and Holzer for RoR..I'd like to keep Holland for the time being.
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If Phaneuf is nothing but a pylon, then WHY would Colorado trade ROR for him as the main piece?

You can't have it both ways Highlander, he can't be a pylon and still carry enough value to be the main piece of a Ryan O'Reilly trade.
 
Highlander said:
How about the P, and Bozak and Holzer for RoR..I'd like to keep Holland for the time being.
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Typically in trades you have to give up something you'd rather keep.
 
Ya but you get Bozak the Clone and Holzerheed in the same deal. And the Pylon is the best Pylon out there. I love the way he hits, just can't watch 6 more years of him being skated around by faster and younger wingers, leaving him in "what just happened mode"?
 
Highlander said:
Ya but you get Bozak the Clone and Holzerheed in the same deal. And the Pylon is the best Pylon out there. I love the way he hits, just can't watch 6 more years of him being skated around by faster and younger wingers, leaving him in "what just happened mode"?
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You give players stupid nicknames.

O'Reilly is alot better than Bozak and Holzer is worthless, a pylon can't be the difference between Bozak and O'Reilly.
 
I have not seen a lot of ROR, so I'm asking because I don't know and wanted to get an opinion.

Assume it is Bozak plus one of the young d-man going (Gardiner or Reilly) plus something else.

Is ROR the bona-fide Number 1 centre that we have been looking for?  Is ROR/Kadri heads and shoulders better than Kadri/Bozak, enough to mortgage the significant young asset to obtain?   

Looking strictly at points, Kadri and Bozak both have more than him this year.  ROR biggest season was last year where he scored 64 points (he had an unusually high S% last year).  But...he's not on track to getting close to that number this season - why?  Is there regression happening?  I understand that he's not being used appropriately in Colorado - but does that translate to he's going to be our "number 1" here and I'm willing to give up one of our significant assets to get him (esp. if it is Reilly)?

In addition, where does Nylander as our future top 6  centre fit into the equation with Kadri/ROR already here? 
 
Sorry - probably the wrong thread...

so yeah - trade Franson, obtain assets, and re-sign - I'm on board with that. ;)
 
pmrules said:
I have not seen a lot of ROR, so I'm asking because I don't know and wanted to get an opinion.

Assume it is Bozak plus one of the young d-man going (Gardiner or Reilly) plus something else.

Is ROR the bona-fide Number 1 centre that we have been looking for?  Is ROR/Kadri heads and shoulders better than Kadri/Bozak, enough to mortgage the significant young asset to obtain?   

Looking strictly at points, Kadri and Bozak both have more than him this year.  ROR biggest season was last year where he scored 64 points (he had an unusually high S% last year).  But...he's not on track to getting close to that number this season - why?  Is there regression happening?  I understand that he's not being used appropriately in Colorado - but does that translate to he's going to be our "number 1" here and I'm willing to give up one of our significant assets to get him (esp. if it is Reilly)?

In addition, where does Nylander as our future top 6  centre fit into the equation with Kadri/ROR already here?
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Ryan O'Reilly is a lot like David Backes.  He may not put up points like a #1 centre, but he can shut down the best so he comes out on top more often than not. 
 
its rare when a player is traded at the deadline and then resigns with the team that traded him.  The last one I can remember doing it is Glen Welsey.  I don't think that guy wanted to be in Toronto in the first place.
 
Rebel_1812 said:
its rare when a player is traded at the deadline and then resigns with the team that traded him.  The last one I can remember doing it is Glen Welsey.  I don't think that guy wanted to be in Toronto in the first place.
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Matt Moulson did it last year didn't he?  He was traded to Minny from Buffalo at the deadline, and then resigned with the Sabres as a UFA.
 
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