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Training Camp Thread

GhostofPotvin29

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Defensemen Henrik Tallinder and Brendan Mikkelson will attend TOR's camp on tryout basis.

Not a bad idea at all, Tallinder is intriguing as a veteran insurance option.
 
Mikkelson has been rumoured for a few weeks now. I really don't get that one. He's 27 years old, has only played in 131 NHL games, only has 10 points in those games, and has played in just 4 NHL games the past two seasons. Stick a fork in it man. I suppose he might not hurt for the Marlies (he played a season with them awhile ago) to kinda replace Brennan, but their blueline is going to be very, very crowded this season already with Finn, Nilsson, and Loov all coming aboard so I'm not sure that there's room.

Tallinder is closer to being an actual NHL player. He had an atrocious year last season but it's hard to say if that was his age catching up to him or if it was just because he played in Buffalo. We could figure out in training camp if it was the former, in which case just cut bait. Otherwise I'm fine with him battling Holzer for that 7th defenceman spot.
 
Potvin29 said:
Not a bad idea at all, Tallinder is intriguing as a veteran insurance option.

A pretty good option for the #7 guy. Better than having a younger guy sitting the press box most nights.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Mikkelson has been rumoured for a few weeks now. I really don't get that one. He's 27 years old, has only played in 131 NHL games, only has 10 points in those games, and has played in just 4 NHL games the past two seasons. Stick a fork in it man. I suppose he might not hurt for the Marlies (he played a season with them awhile ago) to kinda replace Brennan, but their blueline is going to be very, very crowded this season already with Finn, Nilsson, and Loov all coming aboard so I'm not sure that there's room.

If Holzer cracks the Leafs at the #7 guy, it leaves the Marlies with a really inexperienced set of defencemen. Mikkelson helps there. A few of the younger guys will find themselves in the ECHL - and, that's probably where a number of them belong right now.
 
I wouldn't mind Tallinder as a #7 defenseman.  I liked his game a few years ago and I don't want to read too much into the struggles of a player on an unbelievably awful team.  My only concern would be that the Leafs really don't have any cap space and being a borderline playoff team doesn't seem like a good reason to be up against the cap.  I would rather they save a bit of cap space so they can either take on salary to improve the team down the road or take back salary if they are trading some of their bottom 6 guys on 1-year deals if they fall out of the playoff hunt and want to maximize their return.
 
bustaheims said:
If Holzer cracks the Leafs at the #7 guy, it leaves the Marlies with a really inexperienced set of defencemen. Mikkelson helps there. A few of the younger guys will find themselves in the ECHL - and, that's probably where a number of them belong right now.

If Holzer goes up yeah it would leave the Marlies defence as: Granberg, Percy, Marshall, MacWilliam, Finn, Nilsson, Loov, Knodel. 8 players, but those last 4 haven't played in the AHL yet (well, just 10 games for Knodel). And 3 of the first 4 will be entering just their 2nd AHL season. Their team in general is going to be very young too. I don't know if adding one guy like Mikkelson is going to make a world of difference there, but I could see the logic if they signed him to an AHL deal.
 
L K said:
I wouldn't mind Tallinder as a #7 defenseman.  I liked his game a few years ago and I don't want to read too much into the struggles of a player on an unbelievably awful team.  My only concern would be that the Leafs really don't have any cap space and being a borderline playoff team doesn't seem like a good reason to be up against the cap.  I would rather they save a bit of cap space so they can either take on salary to improve the team down the road or take back salary if they are trading some of their bottom 6 guys on 1-year deals if they fall out of the playoff hunt and want to maximize their return.

I have them at $1.8 million in space after demoting Orr and Bodie and having 13 forwards, 6 D, 2 G according to Capgeek.
 
L K said:
I wouldn't mind Tallinder as a #7 defenseman.  I liked his game a few years ago and I don't want to read too much into the struggles of a player on an unbelievably awful team.  My only concern would be that the Leafs really don't have any cap space and being a borderline playoff team doesn't seem like a good reason to be up against the cap.  I would rather they save a bit of cap space so they can either take on salary to improve the team down the road or take back salary if they are trading some of their bottom 6 guys on 1-year deals if they fall out of the playoff hunt and want to maximize their return.

He would probably sign a league-minimum type deal, so he'd actually come cheaper than whoever else the team would use as the 7th guy (Holzer/Granberg/MacWilliam).
 
The Leafs will probably have to move a contract out if they decide to sign one of these guys to a NHL-level deal. Not counting 18/19-year olds, they're at 49 SPCs. Also one of those teenagers is Nylander, and I'm not sure quite how his contract would be treated here. I know it will slide if he doesn't play 10 NHL games, but the language in the CBA makes it seem like only teenagers who are sent to the juniors are exempt from the reserve list. Even if Nylander doesn't count at first, I doubt the Leafs will want to get to 50 contracts just in case Nylander is brought up later in the season for more than 10 games.
 
I really like Talinder as the #7, especially if Robidas can't go for the first few weeks.  He played us really well over the past few years, and I really wanted him on the Leafs as a back end defenseman 3 or 4 years ago.  Kind of a pest, IIRC.  We'll see what he has at training camp.

Phaneuf  Robidas
Gardiner  Franson
Reilly      Polak
Talinder
 
pmrules said:
Phaneuf  Robidas
Gardiner  Franson
Reilly      Polak
Talinder

If the team is dead-set on keeping everybody on their "proper" sides then I think that's the best way to line-up the defence. Hopefully Robidas is healthy and up to that challenge. If things aren't working and the team decides to abandon that strategy I'd like to see this:

Gardiner-Phaneuf
Rielly-Robidas
Polak-Franson

Pushes both Gardiner and Rielly up in the line-up, which is something I think both deserve. I've read that Polak played the left side a fair bit in St. Louis, so that pairing could recreate the Fraser-Franson 3rd pairing we saw a couple of years ago, except Polak is a better player and much better skater.
 
bustaheims said:
Potvin29 said:
Not a bad idea at all, Tallinder is intriguing as a veteran insurance option.

A pretty good option for the #7 guy. Better than having a younger guy sitting the press box most nights.

My (slim?) hope is that a young player comes in and steals a spot at 4/5 and actually gets some ice time.  Otherwise, yeah, sitting in the press box is just a backward step and I would prefer to see another year of development.
 
Oh oh...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/tim-leiweke-future-plans-mlse-stubhub/

While making it abundantly clear that he and new president Brendan Shanahan felt the team lagged behind in that department, he placed one caveat on the numbers revolution.

?Look, there are players we have in our organization today whose numbers are off the chart good and whose character is just terrible,? said Leiweke.

?We are very convinced that analytics make us smarter, we are very convinced that analytics will reduce our mistakes, we are convinced that analytics at the end of the day will be key to us getting this team back on track,? he added. ?But, that said, they will never ever replace our ability to determine one?s character and passion for the game of hockey. You have to be good at both, not just one.?

(emphasis added for dramatic effect).

So...should we start guessing as to who has a terrible character?  Who would ever say this publicly about a member of their own team?
 
bustaheims said:
He later backtracked, saying he meant the league rather than the Leafs, specifically.

"Players we have in our organization" certainly is ambiguous.
 

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