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2025 Blue Jays

bustaheims said:
I'm not sure I'd put Stephen at the same level of prospect as Cowan, but, it's hard to make comparisons across the two sports. There's a really wide range in what he could turn into.

It's a good to very good prospect for a guy who has won a Cy Young and is coming back from TJ surgery - so, somewhere between Minten and Cowan for Drew Doughty coming back from injury.
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Yea, and Bieber is definitely more of a question mark too, considering how long he's been off for.

Definitely worth making this deal, though. Potential ace for a young, non-elite prospect.
 
Andy007 said:
Yea, and Bieber is definitely more of a question mark too, considering how long he's been off for.

Definitely worth making this deal, though. Potential ace for a young, non-elite prospect.
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Yeah. There's real upside for both teams here. Stephen is doing great in the lower levels of the minors, but, lots of pitchers have done that in the past only to end up being bullpen guys instead of quality starters. I suspect that's the likely trajectory for him. Bieber has a player option for next year, and, considering he won't have pitched much in the last 2 seasons, he'll likely take it, since it will probably be more than he'd get in free agency. It's a gamble, but the pay off could be huge.
 
Bieber seems like he's close to returning to the majors so this is potentially a huge addition at a cost that is much lower than what an otherwise healthy pitcher would have required.

They still have Manoah working his way back. He threw 45 pitches in his last rehab start and is scheduled to make his 3rd rehab outing later this week so the pitching depth is definitely in a better spot right now.

I can't see where the Jays are able to add an impact bat at this point but one more quality reliever would go a long way unless they think Garcia will be back (and reliable) this year.
 
Risk the Bieber doesn't bounce back after surgery. But giving up Stephen only for him I like. No overpaying sending Yesavage out, plus King, Rojas, with Barriera back and Tiedemann returning in time, they can afford to send an arm out.
 
Will Wagner off to San Diego for C prospect Brandon Valenzuela. Quick read seems like a glove first player, who hasn't shown he can hit enough to be more than MLB depth.
 
Can forget Rojas I mentioned earlier. Jays have dealt him and Roden to Minnesota for RP Varland, and 1B Ty France
 
Jays have one more against the Rockies this afternoon and then run a gauntlet of hell:

  1. @LAD - Kershaw 3.29 ERA
  2. @LAD - Snell 3.21 ERA
  3. @LAD - Yamamoto 2.51 ERA
  4. vs CHC - Imanaga 3.12 ERA
  5. vs CHC - Horton 3.42 ERA
  6. vs CHC - Boyd 2.34 ERA
  7. vs TEX - DeGrom 2.80 ERA
  8. vs TEX - Corbin 3.91 ERA
  9. vs TEX - Eovaldi 1.38 ERA
  10. @PIT - Skenes 2.02 ERA
 
L K said:
Jays have one more against the Rockies this afternoon and then run a gauntlet of hell:

  1. @LAD - Kershaw 3.29 ERA
  2. @LAD - Snell 3.21 ERA
  3. @LAD - Yamamoto 2.51 ERA
  4. vs CHC - Imanaga 3.12 ERA
  5. vs CHC - Horton 3.42 ERA
  6. vs CHC - Boyd 2.34 ERA
  7. vs TEX - DeGrom 2.80 ERA
  8. vs TEX - Corbin 3.91 ERA
  9. vs TEX - Eovaldi 1.38 ERA
  10. @PIT - Skenes 2.02 ERA
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A rough stretch, for sure. Thankfully, the Jays actually have the best record in MLB against teams who are above .500.
 
L K said:
Jays have lost 6 of 9 getting outscored 71-59
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Yet still 3 games up on the Red Sox, 6.5 up on the yankees, best record in the American League and second best record in MLB.

If they can come out of the upcoming run something like 6-4 or even 5-5 they’ll be in a good place.

Anything better than that, and, well, that would be lovely.
 
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