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2011 Blue Jays/MLB Thread

L K said:
That was Carpenter's second World Series with St. Louis.

It's amazing how dominant he turned out to be, considering the severity of his injury at the time. Kudos to him, he always had a nasty arsenal.
 
L K said:
That was Carpenter's second World Series with St. Louis.

And considering the circumstances under which he left the club I don't know why a Blue Jays fan would be overly inclined to cheer him on to anything.
 
It's a big deal but it's not as big a raise as I almost expected. In a pitching starved market Sabathia only got an extra year and a raise of 1.4 million per over his old deal.
 
Saint Nik said:
It's a big deal but it's not as big a raise as I almost expected. In a pitching starved market Sabathia only got an extra year and a raise of 1.4 million per over his old deal.

1 extra year and another if he stays healthy, it's only 1.4 per season but it's another guaranteed 30 million and if the final year kicks in, it's an additional 50.

I'm not sure he could have gotten a deal like that in 4 years, who know what he would have got on the open market though.
 
Deebo said:
1 extra year and another if he stays healthy, it's only 1.4 per season but it's another guaranteed 30 million and if the final year kicks in, it's an additional 50.

I'm not sure he could have gotten a deal like that in 4 years, who know what he would have got on the open market though.

I'm not trying to pass the hat for him or anything. Just saying that he very well could have gotten more on the open market.
 
No surprises but;

"The Toronto Blue Jays have exercised the 2012 option on infielder Edwin Encarnacion for $3.5 million, the club announced on Monday.

The Jays also announced the 2012 option on pitcher Jon Rauch has been declined."

More;

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/2011/10/31/jays_moves/

 
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Tony-LaCava-Baltimore-Orioles-GM-search-Toronto-Blue-Jays-110111

Blue Jays assistant general manager Tony LaCava turned down the Orioles? offer to become their GM on Tuesday, according to major-league sources.

Interesting that he'd rather remain an assistant with the Jays than GM with the O's. Sad statement on the state of affairs in Baltimore, but good for the Jays.
 
Busta Reims said:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Tony-LaCava-Baltimore-Orioles-GM-search-Toronto-Blue-Jays-110111

Blue Jays assistant general manager Tony LaCava turned down the Orioles? offer to become their GM on Tuesday, according to major-league sources.

Interesting that he'd rather remain an assistant with the Jays than GM with the O's. Sad statement on the state of affairs in Baltimore, but good for the Jays.

Huge for the Jays.  It completely changes the drafting philosophy when you have LaCava poaching half the Latin American talent.  You can draft more aggressively if you know that you have a half dozen good prospects for free.

Aside from that I'm not sure what to think on the "guarantee Encarnacion at bats" philosophy again.  He was terrible for the first half of last year and they kept playing him because they promised him at bats.  He really hadn't done anything in his career to earn that kind of promise, and I'm not sure that he should be gifted at bats based on a half-season of strong play.
 
L K said:
Aside from that I'm not sure what to think on the "guarantee Encarnacion at bats" philosophy again.  He was terrible for the first half of last year and they kept playing him because they promised him at bats.  He really hadn't done anything in his career to earn that kind of promise, and I'm not sure that he should be gifted at bats based on a half-season of strong play.

Well, if his splits from last season are any indication, as long as he doesn't have to play in the field at all, he should be a fairly productive bat earlier in the season. Fortunately, with Lawrie around, there's no reason to play him at 3B, and if the Jays can upgrade on Lind at 1B, there's no reason to put Encarnacion in the field at all.
 
Busta Reims said:
L K said:
Aside from that I'm not sure what to think on the "guarantee Encarnacion at bats" philosophy again.  He was terrible for the first half of last year and they kept playing him because they promised him at bats.  He really hadn't done anything in his career to earn that kind of promise, and I'm not sure that he should be gifted at bats based on a half-season of strong play.

Well, if his splits from last season are any indication, as long as he doesn't have to play in the field at all, he should be a fairly productive bat earlier in the season. Fortunately, with Lawrie around, there's no reason to play him at 3B, and if the Jays can upgrade on Lind at 1B, there's no reason to put Encarnacion in the field at all.

I'm not sure if it was in that article, but I read one where AA talked about him playing in LF, 1B, and DH.

EDIT:

"As we sit here today, the role would primarily be DH but we like he can play some first, play some third and we'd like to find out a little bit more about him in left field."
 
L K said:
I'm not sure if it was in that article, but I read one where AA talked about him playing in LF, 1B, and DH.

EDIT:

"As we sit here today, the role would primarily be DH but we like he can play some first, play some third and we'd like to find out a little bit more about him in left field."

Yeah, I know. He'll be sort of a DH-utility guy, but, primarily DH, which is what's important. His numbers as a DH last season were pretty good. So, if he's in the field for 1 game a week or something like that? Oh well.
 
Busta Reims said:
L K said:
I'm not sure if it was in that article, but I read one where AA talked about him playing in LF, 1B, and DH.

EDIT:

"As we sit here today, the role would primarily be DH but we like he can play some first, play some third and we'd like to find out a little bit more about him in left field."

Yeah, I know. He'll be sort of a DH-utility guy, but, primarily DH, which is what's important. His numbers as a DH last season were pretty good. So, if he's in the field for 1 game a week or something like that? Oh well.

Yeah I guess.  It would be great if he could put up 25-30 homers and 40 doubles. 

It hopefully puts to rest the Big Papi as a possible destination spot for the Jays.  He would make them a better team, but they need to upgrade 1B, not the DH position.
 
L K said:
It hopefully puts to rest the Big Papi as a possible destination spot for the Jays.  He would make them a better team, but they need to upgrade 1B, not the DH position.

Yeah. At best, Ortiz should only be considered if all other avenues to improve the offence fail - and, if the Sox offer him arbitration, there's no way the Jays go after him. AA won't sacrifice a draft pick for a short-term addition.
 
Saint Nik said:
And considering the circumstances under which he left the club I don't know why a Blue Jays fan would be overly inclined to cheer him on to anything.

And considering that you are a Torontonian baseball fan sounding negative and rather contrite  in this conversational circumstance is beyond comprehension.

I will always like to say, that's a former Blue Jay.
 
Carpenter was afterall a highly touted draft pick of the Jays back in '93.  While he didn't collect his first foray
into the Major leagues until 1997, and stayed a Jay until
2002, with a less than stellar overall  pitching record,
his injured shoulder & all, who could blame him for
wanting to test the free agent market?  True he refused
the minor league asignment given him by Ricciardi at the
time, including the league minimum of $300,000
(Carpenter  wanted $500,000 in which the Jays refused his pay demands), and thus, he left.

Ricciardi at that time.  was in the process of paring
down both the roster and  salaries. 

Besides, as Blue Jay fans, the comparison between
Ricciardi and Anthropoulos quite different, to say the
least.  Who is to that if it had been today, Chris
Carpenter would have left under slightly different
circumstances.

Like I said before, the Jays drafted him, and are the club responsible for giving him his first opportunity into the
Major League.  I'm still glad that a former Blue Jay who
practically grew up together as a young player with
another Blue Jay,  (Roy Halladay), won the World Series.

With all due apologies (sic), if it bothers you so much.     
 
I was reading this article about Chris Carpenter (http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111030/NEWS15/710309957) and toward the end it made mention of Colby Rasmus getting a world series ring. Seems weird to me. I don't think he deserves one. Does this make sense to anyone else?
 

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