2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

[Deebo]

So who do you all like for opening day starter?

 

[maplesyrup]

J.J. It has to be, no?

 

[bustaheims]

J.J. It has to be, no?

I'd actually lean towards Morrow. Reward the guy who had the better season in 2012, and did so for the Jays.

 

[maplesyrup]

To be honest, I'd rather start my bottom 3 guys and then throw JJ AND Morrow at Farrell and the Red Sox in the second series of the season.  8)

 

[Corn Flake]

J.J. It has to be, no?

I'd actually lean towards Morrow. Reward the guy who had the better season in 2012, and did so for the Jays.

really? I think it's going to be Buehrle in a lock.

 

[Andy007]

J.J. It has to be, no?

I'd actually lean towards Morrow. Reward the guy who had the better season in 2012, and did so for the Jays.

really? I think it's going to be Buehrle in a lock.

Maybe mid 2000's Buehrle. No way next year. He's the 4th starter.

 

[Corn Flake]

J.J. It has to be, no?

I'd actually lean towards Morrow. Reward the guy who had the better season in 2012, and did so for the Jays.

really? I think it's going to be Buehrle in a lock.

Maybe mid 2000's Buehrle. No way next year. He's the 4th starter.

You really think the Jays took him on, with that contract, to be the 4th starter on this team?

If all goes well in every possible way for JJ, Morrow and Romero, then he may end up being the 4th best starter on the depth chart but as of right now, he's expected to be the rock on that staff.  He may not have the best stuff compared to JJ or Morrow, but he's the one bringing the consistency and the experience.

I think as a symbol of that, they have him start opening night.. but hey, just my opinion.

 

[skippy]

J.J. It has to be, no?

I'd actually lean towards Morrow. Reward the guy who had the better season in 2012, and did so for the Jays.

really? I think it's going to be Buehrle in a lock.

Maybe mid 2000's Buehrle. No way next year. He's the 4th starter.

You really think the Jays took him on, with that contract, to be the 4th starter on this team?

If all goes well in every possible way for JJ, Morrow and Romero, then he may end up being the 4th best starter on the depth chart but as of right now, he's expected to be the rock on that staff.  He may not have the best stuff compared to JJ or Morrow, but he's the one bringing the consistency and the experience.

I think as a symbol of that, they have him start opening night.. but hey, just my opinion.

I imagine it goes Buehrle, Morrow, JJ, Romero, with most likely Haap as the 5.

 

[bustaheims]

I imagine it goes Buehrle, Morrow, JJ, Romero, with most likely Haap as the 5.

Flip Morrow and Buerhle, and that's roughly what I expect for the rotation if they don't add another starter.

 

[Andy007]

J.J. It has to be, no?

I'd actually lean towards Morrow. Reward the guy who had the better season in 2012, and did so for the Jays.

really? I think it's going to be Buehrle in a lock.

Maybe mid 2000's Buehrle. No way next year. He's the 4th starter.

You really think the Jays took him on, with that contract, to be the 4th starter on this team?

Well somebody has to be. Romero is a year removed from ace output; Morrow piched like an ace last year and Johnson had a 2.30 era in 2010. Having any one of those pitchers as the "4th starter" doesn't make any more sense, does it?

 

[Corn Flake]

I imagine it goes Buehrle, Morrow, JJ, Romero, with most likely Haap as the 5.

That is exactly how I see it.

I'm no stats junkie, but Buehrle's WHIP last year was 1.171 and almost all his numbers were better than his career averages.  If he wasn't on such a pathetic team last year he would have had significantly more wins than he did.  The guy is only 33 still.

 

[Corn Flake]

Well somebody has to be. Romero is a year removed from ace output; Morrow piched like an ace last year and Johnson had a 2.30 era in 2010. Having any one of those pitchers as the "4th starter" doesn't make any more sense, does it?

I have no problem with Romero as the 4th based on what we saw last year.  He's lucky he hasn't been disposed.

All four of these guys are "ace" material and they have all kind of been labelled that at some point or another ... it will be a matter of who delivers but Buehrle is the incumbent based on consistency, seniority and success, IMO.

I don't think the Jays are really trying to rank them at this point anyway but rather looking at them as a pool of some pretty high end potential and mostly established.  The only guy on that list I have no questions about what I'm going to get though is Buehrle.

 

[Andy007]

Guess I'm in the minority about Buehrle  

 

[Andy007]

Well somebody has to be. Romero is a year removed from ace output; Morrow piched like an ace last year and Johnson had a 2.30 era in 2010. Having any one of those pitchers as the "4th starter" doesn't make any more sense, does it?

I have no problem with Romero as the 4th based on what we saw last year.  He's lucky he hasn't been disposed.

All four of these guys are "ace" material and they have all kind of been labelled that at some point or another ... it will be a matter of who delivers but Buehrle is the incumbent based on consistency, seniority and success, IMO.

I don't think the Jays are really trying to rank them at this point anyway but rather looking at them as a pool of some pretty high end potential and mostly established.  The only guy on that list I have no questions about what I'm going to get though is Buehrle.

Fair point on Romero. I guess I am just a little worried about Buehrle's potential numbers in the AL East. He strikes out very few hitters and gives up a ton of hits. But his innings streak is pretty remarkable. Should be a nice rotation, barring any crazy injuries, though.

 

[Corn Flake]

barring any crazy injuries, though.

Indeed.

Two things on that:

1. last year was a lot of Murphy's law, but also mostly inexperienced arms who went down.  They weren't properly managed or looked after.
2. I would like to see a new pitching coach or a drastically different philosophy on how pitchers are managed.

 

[#1PilarFan]

I doubt it. I think that if Gibbons was his choice in terms of "gut" or whatever then A) We wouldn't have heard about all of the various other guys who were considered/interviewed/offered the job and B) we would have heard about Gibbons before this.

I follow your logic here Nik, but on thing AA does well is he keeps his cards very close to his chest. The fact that we were hearing about some of the names probably meant that AA wasn't going to go in that direction.

I mean, Olney's a pretty good reporter, but he said Riggleman was in the running when he hadn't even been interviewed and that's just one example.

 

[skippy]

I imagine it goes Buehrle, Morrow, JJ, Romero, with most likely Haap as the 5.

Flip Morrow and Buerhle, and that's roughly what I expect for the rotation if they don't add another starter.

No deal!

 

[Kin]

I follow your logic here Nik, but on thing AA does well is he keeps his cards very close to his chest. The fact that we were hearing about some of the names probably meant that AA wasn't going to go in that direction.

I mean, Olney's a pretty good reporter, but he said Riggleman was in the running when he hadn't even been interviewed and that's just one example.

Who said Riggleman hadn't been interviewed?

 

[Corn Flake]

I follow your logic here Nik, but on thing AA does well is he keeps his cards very close to his chest. The fact that we were hearing about some of the names probably meant that AA wasn't going to go in that direction.

I mean, Olney's a pretty good reporter, but he said Riggleman was in the running when he hadn't even been interviewed and that's just one example.

Who said Riggleman hadn't been interviewed?

His agent said he had not been contacted by the Jays.

 

[Kin]

I follow your logic here Nik, but on thing AA does well is he keeps his cards very close to his chest. The fact that we were hearing about some of the names probably meant that AA wasn't going to go in that direction.

I mean, Olney's a pretty good reporter, but he said Riggleman was in the running when he hadn't even been interviewed and that's just one example.

Who said Riggleman hadn't been interviewed?

His agent said he had not been contacted by the Jays.

Right, well, call me pedantic if you want but that doesn't actually contradict anything Olney reported.