2013-2014 NHL Thread

[Bullfrog]

Absolutely disgusting and embarrassing. I hope Hartley gets a suspension and Tortorella too.

I do understand the arguments for Tortorella to choose his lineup; to "answer the challenge" as I heard. But I really can't help but think the better solution was to ice a scoring line and try to diffuse the situation. I disagree with Dave Hodge that Torts lineup response was necessary to essentially save face with his team, to show that they won't back down. What does that really show? What does it prove? This old school point of view needs to go.

If i was on that team and the coach told me "hey, they're icing a starting line of goons. We're going to ignore it and be professional and make them look like idiots. Go out there and beat them with skill," I'd have more respect than "we have to fight fire with fire."

Hypocritical of Tortorella to say that this stuff doesn't belong in the game, yet he doesn't try to diffuse it all. I agree with TSN that his actions during the intermission undermine his authority to tell his players to remain disciplined and calm.

 

[Kin]

Absolutely disgusting and embarrassing. I hope Hartley gets a suspension and Tortorella too.

I do understand the arguments for Tortorella to choose his lineup; to "answer the challenge" as I heard. But I really can't help but think the better solution was to ice a scoring line and try to diffuse the situation. I disagree with Dave Hodge that Torts lineup response was necessary to essentially save face with his team, to show that they won't back down. What does that really show? What does it prove? This old school point of view needs to go.

If i was on that team and the coach told me "hey, they're icing a starting line of goons. We're going to ignore it and be professional and make them look like idiots. Go out there and beat them with skill," I'd have more respect than "we have to fight fire with fire."

I think that's fair inasmuch as that would be my reaction too but the reality of it is that you and I(or me at least, I can't speak entirely for you) didn't really get raised in that hockey culture. The unfortunate thing is that most of the players on the Canucks bench did get raised within that environment and so their reactions might be very different than that of you or me or anyone who sat still and thought about it for half a second.

It's why, while we can talk about how the culture of hockey needs to change in regards to things like that, ultimately that change has to come from within.

 

[Frank E]

Absolutely disgusting and embarrassing. I hope Hartley gets a suspension and Tortorella too.

I do understand the arguments for Tortorella to choose his lineup; to "answer the challenge" as I heard. But I really can't help but think the better solution was to ice a scoring line and try to diffuse the situation. I disagree with Dave Hodge that Torts lineup response was necessary to essentially save face with his team, to show that they won't back down. What does that really show? What does it prove? This old school point of view needs to go.

If i was on that team and the coach told me "hey, they're icing a starting line of goons. We're going to ignore it and be professional and make them look like idiots. Go out there and beat them with skill," I'd have more respect than "we have to fight fire with fire."

Hypocritical of Tortorella to say that this stuff doesn't belong in the game, yet he doesn't try to diffuse it all. I agree with TSN that his actions during the intermission undermine his authority to tell his players to remain disciplined and calm.

Honestly Frog, you sound like a grade 1 teacher talking about his students?like you want to teach them wrong from right.

These are adults in a highly competitive game that uses physical intimidation all the time.

Knock off the silly preaching of trying to win with skill over physicality?like somehow one is superior to the other.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Absolutely disgusting and embarrassing. I hope Hartley gets a suspension and Tortorella too.

I do understand the arguments for Tortorella to choose his lineup; to "answer the challenge" as I heard. But I really can't help but think the better solution was to ice a scoring line and try to diffuse the situation. I disagree with Dave Hodge that Torts lineup response was necessary to essentially save face with his team, to show that they won't back down. What does that really show? What does it prove? This old school point of view needs to go.

If i was on that team and the coach told me "hey, they're icing a starting line of goons. We're going to ignore it and be professional and make them look like idiots. Go out there and beat them with skill," I'd have more respect than "we have to fight fire with fire."

Hypocritical of Tortorella to say that this stuff doesn't belong in the game, yet he doesn't try to diffuse it all. I agree with TSN that his actions during the intermission undermine his authority to tell his players to remain disciplined and calm.

Honestly Frog, you sound like a grade 1 teacher talking about his students?like you want to teach them wrong from right.

These are adults in a highly competitive game that uses physical intimidation all the time.

Knock off the silly preaching of trying to win with skill over physicality?like somehow one is superior to the other.

Skill is most definitely superior to physicality.  It's silly of you to try to argue otherwise.

 

[Jay-Mar]

Absolutely disgusting and embarrassing. I hope Hartley gets a suspension and Tortorella too.

I do understand the arguments for Tortorella to choose his lineup; to "answer the challenge" as I heard. But I really can't help but think the better solution was to ice a scoring line and try to diffuse the situation. I disagree with Dave Hodge that Torts lineup response was necessary to essentially save face with his team, to show that they won't back down. What does that really show? What does it prove? This old school point of view needs to go.

If i was on that team and the coach told me "hey, they're icing a starting line of goons. We're going to ignore it and be professional and make them look like idiots. Go out there and beat them with skill," I'd have more respect than "we have to fight fire with fire."

Hypocritical of Tortorella to say that this stuff doesn't belong in the game, yet he doesn't try to diffuse it all. I agree with TSN that his actions during the intermission undermine his authority to tell his players to remain disciplined and calm.

Honestly Frog, you sound like a grade 1 teacher talking about his students?like you want to teach them wrong from right.

These are adults in a highly competitive game that uses physical intimidation all the time.

Knock off the silly preaching of trying to win with skill over physicality?like somehow one is superior to the other.

Skill is most definitely superior to physicality.  It's silly of you to try to argue otherwise.

Carlye took the Brunt of things when he put Phil out against the Goon from Buffalo, Torts protected his players and his antics after the first im sure brought his team together more than they were before.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Absolutely disgusting and embarrassing. I hope Hartley gets a suspension and Tortorella too.

I do understand the arguments for Tortorella to choose his lineup; to "answer the challenge" as I heard. But I really can't help but think the better solution was to ice a scoring line and try to diffuse the situation. I disagree with Dave Hodge that Torts lineup response was necessary to essentially save face with his team, to show that they won't back down. What does that really show? What does it prove? This old school point of view needs to go.

If i was on that team and the coach told me "hey, they're icing a starting line of goons. We're going to ignore it and be professional and make them look like idiots. Go out there and beat them with skill," I'd have more respect than "we have to fight fire with fire."

Hypocritical of Tortorella to say that this stuff doesn't belong in the game, yet he doesn't try to diffuse it all. I agree with TSN that his actions during the intermission undermine his authority to tell his players to remain disciplined and calm.

Honestly Frog, you sound like a grade 1 teacher talking about his students?like you want to teach them wrong from right.

These are adults in a highly competitive game that uses physical intimidation all the time.

Knock off the silly preaching of trying to win with skill over physicality?like somehow one is superior to the other.

Skill is most definitely superior to physicality.  It's silly of you to try to argue otherwise.

Carlye took the Brunt of things when he put Phil out against the Goon from Buffalo, Torts protected his players and his antics after the first im sure brought his team together more than they were before.

How did Carlyle take the brunt of things?  What does that mean?  Nothing happened to Kessel, and nothing would have happened to him.  He didn't protect his players, he helped cause one of their top defensemen to be kicked out of the game 2 seconds in.

 

[Bullfrog]

Absolutely disgusting and embarrassing. I hope Hartley gets a suspension and Tortorella too.

I do understand the arguments for Tortorella to choose his lineup; to "answer the challenge" as I heard. But I really can't help but think the better solution was to ice a scoring line and try to diffuse the situation. I disagree with Dave Hodge that Torts lineup response was necessary to essentially save face with his team, to show that they won't back down. What does that really show? What does it prove? This old school point of view needs to go.

If i was on that team and the coach told me "hey, they're icing a starting line of goons. We're going to ignore it and be professional and make them look like idiots. Go out there and beat them with skill," I'd have more respect than "we have to fight fire with fire."

Hypocritical of Tortorella to say that this stuff doesn't belong in the game, yet he doesn't try to diffuse it all. I agree with TSN that his actions during the intermission undermine his authority to tell his players to remain disciplined and calm.

Honestly Frog, you sound like a grade 1 teacher talking about his students?like you want to teach them wrong from right.

These are adults in a highly competitive game that uses physical intimidation all the time.

Knock off the silly preaching of trying to win with skill over physicality?like somehow one is superior to the other.

Though I agree with Potvin that skill is definitely superior, I've also mentioned numerous times that I love hard, physical hockey. What you saw last night has nothing to do with being physical with the context of the game.

and doesn't right or wrong also apply to professional sports?

Do you feel that lining up goon against goon (though I recognize they weren't all goons) was the ONLY response Tortorella could have come up with?

 

[Bullfrog]

Absolutely disgusting and embarrassing. I hope Hartley gets a suspension and Tortorella too.

I do understand the arguments for Tortorella to choose his lineup; to "answer the challenge" as I heard. But I really can't help but think the better solution was to ice a scoring line and try to diffuse the situation. I disagree with Dave Hodge that Torts lineup response was necessary to essentially save face with his team, to show that they won't back down. What does that really show? What does it prove? This old school point of view needs to go.

If i was on that team and the coach told me "hey, they're icing a starting line of goons. We're going to ignore it and be professional and make them look like idiots. Go out there and beat them with skill," I'd have more respect than "we have to fight fire with fire."

I think that's fair inasmuch as that would be my reaction too but the reality of it is that you and I(or me at least, I can't speak entirely for you) didn't really get raised in that hockey culture. The unfortunate thing is that most of the players on the Canucks bench did get raised within that environment and so their reactions might be very different than that of you or me or anyone who sat still and thought about it for half a second.

It's why, while we can talk about how the culture of hockey needs to change in regards to things like that, ultimately that change has to come from within.

That's a good observation, actually. I didn't grow up in the hockey culture, and perhaps that's why I can see the ridiculousness of certain aspects of it.

 

[drummond]

After the Kessel/Scott incident I think it was perfectly OK from Tortorella to go with that line. Flames goons would have gone after their best players. Scott showed that in Buffalo when he went after Kessel. The intermission antics in dressing room hallway is a different story, though.

 

[moon111]

This is straight from the World Wrestling Federation-type antics.  And you know what that means.  Pure money to be made.  Only non-Leaf content I've watch all year.

 

[bustaheims]

Carlye took the Brunt of things when he put Phil out against the Goon from Buffalo, Torts protected his players and his antics after the first im sure brought his team together more than they were before.

No, Rolston took the brunt of the blame on that one, and rightly so, but, it was also a very different situation. The brawl in the Nyucks-Flames game was right off the opening draw. It was an opportunity for Vancouver to put out some skill guys against some questionable hockey players and set the tone by controlling the puck and possibly getting an early goal. The Scott-Kessel incident came late in a meaningless preseason game where the Leafs were already leading. If Carlyle didn't put his top line out then or if he put his face punchers out, nobody would have really batted an eye. The only reason Carlyle got any flack for that one was because the game didn't mean anything, and putting Kessel out in that situation wouldn't have done anything to have any real impact on the team's success.

 

[bustaheims]

So this was the tying goal with 27 seconds left in Detroit, and Detroit won in a shootout:

http://mediacru.sh/PyCviN6D8xU9

Not reviewable.

It is ridiculous that you can't review for whether or not the puck went out of play. I mean, a lot of the other things that are not reviewable are judgement calls, and I get not having a review on those, but, the puck hitting the netting is generally pretty cut and dry.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So this was the tying goal with 27 seconds left in Detroit, and Detroit won in a shootout:

http://mediacru.sh/PyCviN6D8xU9

Not reviewable.

Wow, I just watched that now. When I heard about it on twitter last night I assumed the puck hit the mesh and play continued for a bit before the goal was scored. How in the heck did the refs miss that?

 

[Stickytape]

So this was the tying goal with 27 seconds left in Detroit, and Detroit won in a shootout:

http://mediacru.sh/PyCviN6D8xU9

Not reviewable.

Wow, I just watched that now. When I heard about it on twitter last night I assumed the puck hit the mesh and play continued for a bit before the goal was scored. How in the heck did the refs miss that?

Someone needs to lose a job over that.  How embarrassing for the league.  Honestly, when it's that obvious and everyone can see the play on the big screen seconds later, something has to be done.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Someone needs to lose a job over that.  How embarrassing for the league.  Honestly, when it's that obvious and everyone can see the play on the big screen seconds later, something has to be done.

The league probably loved what happened in the CGY-VAN game. It drew attention off of that blown call.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

So this was the tying goal with 27 seconds left in Detroit, and Detroit won in a shootout:

http://mediacru.sh/PyCviN6D8xU9

Not reviewable.

It is ridiculous that you can't review for whether or not the puck went out of play. I mean, a lot of the other things that are not reviewable are judgement calls, and I get not having a review on those, but, the puck hitting the netting is generally pretty cut and dry.

Yeah, and it's actually in the rulebook that if the refs miss the puck going out of play then the play is to continue as if it never went out of play.  So their hands were tied as far as the rules go since the refs on the ice didn't see it hit the netting.

 

[Stickytape]

Someone needs to lose a job over that.  How embarrassing for the league.  Honestly, when it's that obvious and everyone can see the play on the big screen seconds later, something has to be done.

The league probably loved what happened in the CGY-VAN game. It drew attention off of that blown call.

Ooo, I smell a nice, juicy conspiracy theory:

Somewhere deep within the 9th Circle of Hell, in Gary Bettman's office...
"Excuse me, Mr. Bettman, sir..."
"How dare you barge into my office!  Can't you see I'm in the middle of eating these kittens?"
"I'm terribly sorry to interrupt your dinner, sir, but we just got word that Detroit tied their game against L.A. off a fluke goal that by any sane logic should have been blown dead or at least called back under review."
"Hmm.. how bad was it?"
"Really bad.  Like, Kerry Fraser bad."
"Ouch."
"Exactly.  Sir, this blown call is going to be the top story on every Canadian sports show - and may even get briefly mentioned on the American networks - if we don't think of something quickly!"
"Alright, alright, don't panic.  Here's what we're going to do: First, get me John Tortorella and Bob Hartley on the phone, and then..."

 

[nutman]

Nothing like a good old hockey brawl. Loved it, you can feel the passion. Torts, has his teams total respect now.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Pretty sad indictment of him if he has to do that to earn their respect.  Guess he had to with the Rangers too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIlLbJHKw8M

 

[nutman]

That's the kind of passion RC needs to show the Leafs, and if he did, we would see the team we know we have. Every game, not just once in a while.