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2014-2015 NHL Thread

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Get the feeling he's not long for Buffalo...

@BuffNewsVogl 

Sabres' Cody Hodgson says being on fourth line doesn't matter to him. Ted Nolan says Hodgson is close to being a scratch.
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Is signed to a 6-year deal at $4.25 M.
 
THIS ladies and gentlemen was a goalie interference call against the Red Wings tonight

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mc said:
THIS ladies and gentlemen was a goalie interference call against the Red Wings tonight
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That should be enough to single handedly force the NHL into making those plays reviewable somehow.
 
Ranking the goaltenders, divided into three tiers:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/11653739/anonymous-league-insiders-rank-30-starting-goaltenders-nhl
 
In comical news, Scott Stevens may be joining the NHL Player Safety office.  I guess he could be considered an expert consultant on hits to the head.
 
L K said:
In comical news, Scott Stevens may be joining the NHL Player Safety office.  I guess he could be considered an expert consultant on hits to the head.
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Bryan Marchment soon to follow to round out the knee division, I would imagine.
 
Heroic Shrimp said:
L K said:
In comical news, Scott Stevens may be joining the NHL Player Safety office.  I guess he could be considered an expert consultant on hits to the head.
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Bryan Marchment soon to follow to round out the knee division, I would imagine.
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No kidding!  The NHL is becoming a joke!
 
L K said:
In comical news, Scott Stevens may be joining the NHL Player Safety office.  I guess he could be considered an expert consultant on hits to the head.
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See? I think its a brilliant move... think about it for a second. Whatever he says, they do the exact opposite.... perfect plan really.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Interesting play from the AHL last night. A goalie, seeing that he was about to face a 2 on 0 knocked his own net off.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKXbNjBh9So#t=54[/youtube]

The Refs awarded a penalty shot which the goalie then stopped.
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Obviously the rule doesn't exist to make it happen, but clearly the fairest ruling would be a two-man penalty shot.  Next best ruling in my mind would be a penalty shot, which, if unsuccessful, is followed by a two-minute delay of game penalty.  I don't know if the league needs to expedite such a ruling or not, but it would be a real shame to see that happen again in any league, and unfortunately the present rules make the goalie's choice a wise one.
 
Heroic Shrimp said:
Obviously the rule doesn't exist to make it happen, but clearly the fairest ruling would be a two-man penalty shot.  Next best ruling in my mind would be a penalty shot, which, if unsuccessful, is followed by a two-minute delay of game penalty.  I don't know if the league needs to expedite such a ruling or not, but it would be a real shame to see that happen again in any league, and unfortunately the present rules make the goalie's choice a wise one.
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Fixed the link.

Anyways, I sort of think that there are two fixes. One is just to award a goal which would nip the problem completely. The other, as you allude to, is that all situations where a penalty shot is awarded then if the penalty shot is unsuccessful a two minute minor gets tacked on. One of the things that has bothered me for a while about penalty shots is it seems like it's to the goalie's advantage to have him be able to compose himself rather than facing an impromptu breakaway.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Heroic Shrimp said:
Obviously the rule doesn't exist to make it happen, but clearly the fairest ruling would be a two-man penalty shot.  Next best ruling in my mind would be a penalty shot, which, if unsuccessful, is followed by a two-minute delay of game penalty.  I don't know if the league needs to expedite such a ruling or not, but it would be a real shame to see that happen again in any league, and unfortunately the present rules make the goalie's choice a wise one.
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Fixed the link.

Anyways, I sort of think that there are two fixes. One is just to award a goal which would nip the problem completely. The other, as you allude to, is that all situations where a penalty shot is awarded then if the penalty shot is unsuccessful a two minute minor gets tacked on. One of the things that has bothered me for a while about penalty shots is it seems like it's to the goalie's advantage to have him be able to compose himself rather than facing an impromptu breakaway.
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I've considered what you said about the goalie getting a chance to compose himself for a penalty shot.  My counter-arguments are:

1) The player gets to mentally compose himself, too.  That may or may not be of more value to the goalie than to the player.

2) The player gets to rest himself prior to the penalty shot.  To me, this can be huge, depending on player fatigue.  If a player happens to be anywhere near the end of his shift, muscle control and execution when in close on the goalie is going to take a hit.

And if it happened to be a two-person penalty shot, I would argue that any added composure the goalie might get would be countered by the opportunity of the players to talk out what they want to do in advance.
 
Heroic Shrimp said:
I've considered what you said about the goalie getting a chance to compose himself for a penalty shot.  My counter-arguments are:

1) The player gets to mentally compose himself, too.  That may or may not be of more value to the goalie than to the player.

2) The player gets to rest himself prior to the penalty shot.  To me, this can be huge, depending on player fatigue.  If a player happens to be anywhere near the end of his shift, muscle control and execution when in close on the goalie is going to take a hit.

And if it happened to be a two-person penalty shot, I would argue that any added composure the goalie might get would be countered by the opportunity of the players to talk out what they want to do in advance.
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My point regarding penalty shots was more about the act of awarding penalty shots in general as opposed to in this specific situation where, I agree, a two-man penalty shot would probably do a better job of aping the situation that the goalie took away(although, like I said, if you just made a goalie intentionally knocking his net off an automatic goal then you'd never see it again).

But in regards to penalty shots as a rule I just don't think they're enough of a deterrent. In the shootout, leaguewide success tends to be between 30-35% and that's with coaches specifically choosing players for their abilities in the shootout. If the person on a breakaway is someone who would never be selected for the shootout, I can't help but feel that their shooting percentage would be closer to 20% or even lower or about where it becomes a wash with a good or even mediocre PP%. I really feel there should be more of a disincentive there.
 
How about a 5 minute major for delay of game in this instance.  The penalty could result in more than 1 goal, and thus no goalie would do it on purpose...
 
The thing I have never liked is the penalty that takes place in the last 2 minutes of a game.  I think that penalty should extend play until the end of the penalty (assuming it is a 1 goal or less game).
 
Nik the Trik said:
Heroic Shrimp said:
Obviously the rule doesn't exist to make it happen, but clearly the fairest ruling would be a two-man penalty shot.  Next best ruling in my mind would be a penalty shot, which, if unsuccessful, is followed by a two-minute delay of game penalty.  I don't know if the league needs to expedite such a ruling or not, but it would be a real shame to see that happen again in any league, and unfortunately the present rules make the goalie's choice a wise one.
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Fixed the link.

Anyways, I sort of think that there are two fixes. One is just to award a goal which would nip the problem completely. The other, as you allude to, is that all situations where a penalty shot is awarded then if the penalty shot is unsuccessful a two minute minor gets tacked on. One of the things that has bothered me for a while about penalty shots is it seems like it's to the goalie's advantage to have him be able to compose himself rather than facing an impromptu breakaway.
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I think the quickest solution is to award the goal. I played net for years and knocked my net off quite a few times purposely but I never even thought of doing it in this situation. i'm not sure I could look myself in the mirror.
 
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