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2015-16 Prospects Thread

CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
I think this was a comment on PPP but there's a pretty good chance this season of having Nylander, Marner, and Timashov lead the AHL/OHL/QMJHL in points.
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Huh, I never realized that, but yeah there's definitely a decent chance of that. At the very least barring an injury (or in Nylander's case a call-up) they'll all likely be top-5 in scoring.
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If Brown stays in the AHL all year, I wonder if his name doesn't make that top-5 list as well.
 
herman said:
Definitely depends on which spots open up and don't get filled with the trade returns. There is a good chance we will be looking at at least a half dozen moves. I agree with what you say re: meritocracy as well, but continue to hope they protect Nylander for the full season.
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I think that if you're counting on Nylander to play a significant role on the team in the 16-17 season there could very well be real value in getting him 15-20 NHL games this year and exposing him to the difference between the AHL and NHL. Especially if he dominates the AHL but still needs to work at what he needs to succeed in the NHL.
 
Nik the Trik said:
herman said:
Definitely depends on which spots open up and don't get filled with the trade returns. There is a good chance we will be looking at at least a half dozen moves. I agree with what you say re: meritocracy as well, but continue to hope they protect Nylander for the full season.
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I think that if you're counting on Nylander to play a significant role on the team in the 16-17 season there could very well be real value in getting him 15-20 NHL games this year and exposing him to the difference between the AHL and NHL. Especially if he dominates the AHL but still needs to work at what he needs to succeed in the NHL.
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That seems to be similar to what they did with Nyquist in Detroit for a couple of seasons. Three straight seasons of ppg production in the AHL with 15 or so games in the NHL.
 
Frank E said:
Potvin29 said:
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
I think this was a comment on PPP but there's a pretty good chance this season of having Nylander, Marner, and Timashov lead the AHL/OHL/QMJHL in points.
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Huh, I never realized that, but yeah there's definitely a decent chance of that. At the very least barring an injury (or in Nylander's case a call-up) they'll all likely be top-5 in scoring.
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Yeah the interesting thing with Nylander is - if he's at a point where he's even got a shot to be top 5 in AHL scoring, is he going to realistically be left in the AHL to do that?  There was an article on TLN about whether he could be the first teenage 100 pt scorer in the AHL but the counterpoint is - why would be still be down there to reach that total if he's producing points at that rate?
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Because the Leafs need to lose hockey games?
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But I think the reason there's been no 100 point AHL scorers at that age is because if they're that good they're not spending the whole season in the AHL.  At some point the Leafs needing to lose can't come at the expense of the development of players.  Even terrible teams who are bottoming out play their young players if they're clearly ready for the NHL.  Just a question on what's best for his development, because while the Leafs need to lose, they also need Nylander to develop.
 
Not sure about the amount we will lose this year, but I would think this is the last year they will keep Nylander, Kapanen and Brown, down. Also some of the young D will need to move up for 16-17. At least Percy and Loov if they don't make the squad this year.
So agreed with Potvin, we need at some point to let these guys play, if they are ready.
 
Potvin29 said:
But I think the reason there's been no 100 point AHL scorers at that age is because if they're that good they're not spending the whole season in the AHL.  At some point the Leafs needing to lose can't come at the expense of the development of players.  Even terrible teams who are bottoming out play their young players if they're clearly ready for the NHL.  Just a question on what's best for his development, because while the Leafs need to lose, they also need Nylander to develop.
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I don't think an extra 4 months in the AHL is going to delay his development.  And really, he's only 19, and most kids his age are in junior. 

Though I do think that if he blows the doors off this AHL season, they'll have a hard time keeping him off of the Leafs' 2016-2017 opening night roster.
 
Frank E said:
Potvin29 said:
But I think the reason there's been no 100 point AHL scorers at that age is because if they're that good they're not spending the whole season in the AHL.  At some point the Leafs needing to lose can't come at the expense of the development of players.  Even terrible teams who are bottoming out play their young players if they're clearly ready for the NHL.  Just a question on what's best for his development, because while the Leafs need to lose, they also need Nylander to develop.
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I don't think an extra 4 months in the AHL is going to delay his development.  And really, he's only 19, and most kids his age are in junior. 

Though I do think that if he blows the doors off this AHL season, they'll have a hard time keeping him off of the Leafs' 2016-2017 opening night roster.
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A comparable might be Jason Spezza.  He was playing in the AHL in the 2002 - 2003 season.  He would have been 19 that year.  I am not sure why he was allowed to play in the AHL.  I guess the rule was different back then.  Here is his season:

2002-03 Binghamton Senators AHL 43 22 32 54

So he was on a 100 point pace, but he was called up by the Senators late in the season.  Now the Senators were pretty good that year and they weren't trying to bottom out, so that makes the scenario a different.  I believe though that at the start of the year the Senators had said that they would like to keep Spezza in the AHL for the year to work on his defensive play. 
 
Mitch Marner has been named co-captain of the London Knights, along with fellow returnee Christian Dvorak. He'll make his season debut tomorrow night.
 
Player   League   Position   GP   Goals   Assists   Points   +/-
J Bracco   College   RW   0   0   0   0   0
D Joshua   College   LW   0   0   0   0   0
N Vesey   College   LW   0   0   0   0   0
T Dermott   OHL   D   3   0   2   2   2
S Desrocher   OHL   D   4   1   4   5   3
N Korostolev   OHL   RW   4   1   2   3   0
M Marner   OHL   C   1   1   1   2   2
JJ Piccinich   OHL   RW   2   2   2   4   2
M Dzierkals   QMJHL   LW   4   3   4   7   6
D Timashov   QMJHL   LW   3   1   2   3   2
A Nielsen   WHL   D   2   0   1   1   0
P Engvall   Swe-1   LW   7   1   1   2   0
A Johnson   SweHL   RW   6   2   2   4   -1
J Lindgren   SweHL   D   6   0   0   0   -4

Mitch Marner made his debut in London last night and put up a goal and an assist.  Unfortunatley because of the depth on the roster JJ Piccinich sat out after putting up 4 points in his first two games with the Knights.  Stephen Desrocher and Martins Dzierkals are off to good starts and Andreas Johnson continues to score well in the Swedish league.

Pierre Engvall is still playing in the minor division in Sweden but scored his first two professional league points.
 
L K said:
Unfortunatley because of the depth on the roster JJ Piccinich sat out after putting up 4 points in his first two games with the Knights.
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He might be hurt, I know he was suffering through some stuff earlier. Would be weird for him to leave BU after they have their 2 best players leave only to go to another team whose line-up is too deep for him. I mean it's not like it was a surprise that London got Marner and Dvorak back.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
L K said:
Unfortunatley because of the depth on the roster JJ Piccinich sat out after putting up 4 points in his first two games with the Knights.
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He might be hurt, I know he was suffering through some stuff earlier. Would be weird for him to leave BU after they have their 2 best players leave only to go to another team whose line-up is too deep for him. I mean it's not like it was a surprise that London got Marner and Dvorak back.
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Banged up a little but he's sitting because other guys have sat out and the defense is a bit of a mess right now.  They are running with 7 defensemen right now trying to sort out who they can trust to play and where they need to make moves to shore up the blueline for a deep run.

They have a guy like Ryan Valentini playing Junior B right now who should probably be in the OHL at this point.  Too much of a good thing in the forward ranks at this point with a lot of front end guys deserving of playing 20 minutes a night and guys are going to miss out on opportunities.  Piccinich won't be a guy out of the lineup often but he's going to miss out on some opportunities and might not factor in on the PP depending on how Marner and Dvorak are used.
 
Andreas Johnson: 7 pts in 7 games (2G1A in this game)
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Mitch Marner with a pair of goals in London's 7-2 win over the Soo (sorry Potvin):

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Those are in fact two different goals. Marner also added an assist on a J.J. Piccinich goal. Those two have been on a line with potential top-5 2016 pick Matthew Tkachuk. Failing a Matthews pick at 1st overall Tkachuk could definitely be a Leafs target come draft time.

Marner has 5 goals and 5 assists in 7 games. Piccinich has 6 goals and 5 assists in 11 games.
 
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