2015 NHL Entry Draft - Draft Day!

[Kin]

That's true. Plus, at the deadline, the GMs know if they need someone like him or not which would make it more likely for them to cough up a 1st.

Exactly. Plus, everyone trading at the deadline thinks they're trading the #30 pick and any pick is easier to trade as an abstract concept than it is a prospect you know will be available at your pick.

 

[rdowdall]

So you don't think the Leafs are going to make any moves before the draft?

They might. But I think we should probably be prepared for some pretty underwhelming returns if they do sell guys off.

Which is disappointing considering what the Sens just got for Lehner.

 

[Kin]

Which is disappointing considering what the Sens just got for Lehner.

Maybe, but as I said over there it's Lehner and Legwand. If Legwand has a decent season, and he may get ample opportunity to in Buffalo, he could be a valuable deadline day asset. So while it was a good return, it might just ultimately mean the difference of 15 or so draft places for the Sabres and delayed a year.

 

[rdowdall]

Which is disappointing considering what the Sens just got for Lehner.

Maybe, but as I said over there it's Lehner and Legwand. If Legwand has a decent season, and he may get ample opportunity to in Buffalo, he could be a valuable deadline day asset. So while it was a good return, it might just ultimately mean the difference of 15 or so draft places for the Sabres and delayed a year.

I guess, but it seems like Murray was able to turn a bad situation in to a pretty good pick.  He relieved cap space, he solved his goaltending logjam, and he got the 21st overall pick.  These are the sort of deals that we need to have happen for the Leafs, where they can get themselves out of a jam and get some assets through the process as well. 

 

[Kin]

I guess, but it seems like Murray was able to turn a bad situation in to a pretty good pick.  He relieved cap space, he solved his goaltending logjam, and he got the 21st overall pick.  These are the sort of deals that we need to have happen for the Leafs, where they can get themselves out of a jam and get some assets through the process as well.

The Leafs don't have a similar jam though. And I really don't see how three question marks in net is markedly better than four question marks in net.

 

[rdowdall]

I guess, but it seems like Murray was able to turn a bad situation in to a pretty good pick.  He relieved cap space, he solved his goaltending logjam, and he got the 21st overall pick.  These are the sort of deals that we need to have happen for the Leafs, where they can get themselves out of a jam and get some assets through the process as well.

The Leafs don't have a similar jam though. And I really don't see how three question marks in net is markedly better than four question marks in net.

It's not a similar jam, but as has been mentioned here, in order to do this rebuild correctly, they need to shed off the pieces that can negatively affect their draft position next year.  That's kind of a jam to a degree.  They need to rid themselves of the rotten foundation so that they can rebuild a better structure.  I am not so much concerned about the return for a guy like Kessel as I am that there is a return on Kessel.  My concern is they are going to play a game of chicken with the other GM's, and they are going to lose.

I think Anderson has shown to be a pretty good goalie.  There are definitely questions marks on Hammond I will give you that.  Bryan Murray wasn't exactly dealing from a position of strength but he was still able to make a deal that addressed a couple of concerns for his team.

 

[Kin]

It's not a similar jam, but as has been mentioned here, in order to do this rebuild correctly, they need to shed off the pieces that can negatively affect their draft position next year.  That's kind of a jam to a degree.  They need to rid themselves of the rotten foundation so that they can rebuild a better structure.  I am not so much concerned about the return for a guy like Kessel as I am that there is a return on Kessel.  My concern is they are going to play a game of chicken with the other GM's, and they are going to lose.

Well, I agree that I want them to make that trade but I think they will be able to if they want and if they do they'll get a market rate which is more or less what the Sens got here.

I think Anderson has shown to be a pretty good goalie.  There are definitely questions marks on Hammond I will give you that.  Bryan Murray wasn't exactly dealing from a position of strength but he was still able to make a deal that addressed a couple of concerns for his team.

Anderson can be a good goalie, if he's healthy, but the last three years he's played in more than 50% of his team's games he's had SV% of .911, .914 and .913.

 

[bustaheims]

That's why I think that unless there's a really great prospect out there that he could be used to get, Polak makes way more sense as a guy to hold onto an deal at the deadline now, with everyone getting hyped on scouting reports and worrying about the cap it seems like that would weigh his value down. At the deadline I could see him going for a first pretty easily.

Agreed. No rush on moving Polak, but, if a team offers up a 1st for him now, I'd grab it. The year of development time with a prospect taken in this draft likely outweighs whatever else the Leafs might be able to squeeze out of a team at the deadline.

 

[Kin]

That's why I think that unless there's a really great prospect out there that he could be used to get, Polak makes way more sense as a guy to hold onto an deal at the deadline now, with everyone getting hyped on scouting reports and worrying about the cap it seems like that would weigh his value down. At the deadline I could see him going for a first pretty easily.

Agreed. No rush on moving Polak, but, if a team offers up a 1st for him now, I'd grab it. The year of development time with a prospect taken in this draft likely outweighs whatever else the Leafs might be able to squeeze out of a team at the deadline.

Sure. But only if because while I think Polak could easily get a 1st if things go right, I don't really see him getting much more than that so if someone is offering that now...go for it.

 

[mr grieves]

Which is disappointing considering what the Sens just got for Lehner.

Maybe, but as I said over there it's Lehner and Legwand. If Legwand has a decent season, and he may get ample opportunity to in Buffalo, he could be a valuable deadline day asset. So while it was a good return, it might just ultimately mean the difference of 15 or so draft places for the Sabres and delayed a year.

Yeah, it seems Buffalo's checked out of the tank battle, for now. How many are playing that game next year, do we think?

 

[Frank E]

Which is disappointing considering what the Sens just got for Lehner.

Maybe, but as I said over there it's Lehner and Legwand. If Legwand has a decent season, and he may get ample opportunity to in Buffalo, he could be a valuable deadline day asset. So while it was a good return, it might just ultimately mean the difference of 15 or so draft places for the Sabres and delayed a year.

Yeah, it seems Buffalo's checked out of the tank battle, for now. How many are playing that game next year, do we think?

At least Toronto, Carolina, and Arizona.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

That's why I think that unless there's a really great prospect out there that he could be used to get, Polak makes way more sense as a guy to hold onto an deal at the deadline now, with everyone getting hyped on scouting reports and worrying about the cap it seems like that would weigh his value down. At the deadline I could see him going for a first pretty easily.

Agreed. No rush on moving Polak, but, if a team offers up a 1st for him now, I'd grab it. The year of development time with a prospect taken in this draft likely outweighs whatever else the Leafs might be able to squeeze out of a team at the deadline.

Sure. But only if because while I think Polak could easily get a 1st if things go right, I don't really see him getting much more than that so if someone is offering that now...go for it.

Are there any similar players to him that have got a 1st at a recent deadline?  I just can't see a team paying that sort of price for the type of player that is a bottom pairing, lunch pail sort of player that I feel like you could find all over NA for a lot less than that.

 

[Kin]

Are there any similar players to him that have got a 1st at a recent deadline?  I just can't see a team paying that sort of price for the type of player that is a bottom pairing, lunch pail sort of player that I feel like you could find all over NA for a lot less than that.

Exactly the same? No. But players like Gaustad and Quincey I think comfortably fall into that range.

 

[herman]

That's why I think that unless there's a really great prospect out there that he could be used to get, Polak makes way more sense as a guy to hold onto an deal at the deadline now, with everyone getting hyped on scouting reports and worrying about the cap it seems like that would weigh his value down. At the deadline I could see him going for a first pretty easily.

Agreed. No rush on moving Polak, but, if a team offers up a 1st for him now, I'd grab it. The year of development time with a prospect taken in this draft likely outweighs whatever else the Leafs might be able to squeeze out of a team at the deadline.

Sure. But only if because while I think Polak could easily get a 1st if things go right, I don't really see him getting much more than that so if someone is offering that now...go for it.

Are there any similar players to him that have got a 1st at a recent deadline?  I just can't see a team paying that sort of price for the type of player that is a bottom pairing, lunch pail sort of player that I feel like you could find all over NA for a lot less than that.

I only see a first coming back for a Polak transaction if he's part of a larger package. I can't see his value topping a 2nd at this point. If any other team is desperate enough to offer it though, say yes before they come to their senses. I second the notion that a deadline deal for Polak would be best (and Bozak too... depth centres who can win draws are catnip for playoff bound teams).

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Damien Cox in full commit mode.

 

[ZBBM]

Damien Cox in full commit mode.

All possibilities are indicated. Majorly.

 

[Deebo]

Damien Cox in full commit mode.

Why would anyone commit to something happening that is completely beyond their control?

 

[bustaheims]

Damien Cox in full commit mode.

Dude needs to learn to English better.

 

[L K]

Breaking News: Leafs add significant prospect on NHL draft day. 

Damien: See! I was right!

Does the draft actually start at 7PM today or does it start closer to 8?

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Damien Cox in full commit mode.

Dude needs to learn to English better.

Never mind what sort of help the 27 people who favorited this tweet might need.