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2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion

Man if it wasn't bad enough that my brain is nothing but a collection of pop culture references now even that's starting to slip.
 
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/943163398732234753

This is a weird stance for somebody who apparently doesn't care about NHL wins in December to take.
 
Does anybody really believe that kids playing in games where score isn't kept actually don't now the score? Or at minimum who's winning?  I see taking the emphasis off winning at a young age but I don't think you can stop kids from trying to win, that's a coach issue.
CarltonTheBear said:
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/943163398732234753

This is a weird stance for somebody who apparently doesn't care about NHL wins in December to take.
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Nothing wrong with trying to win and score. I think the key is to teach kids how to be gracious winners and losers. You can't teach that if you don't have winners and losers.
 
bustaheims said:
Nik the Trik said:
Man if it wasn't bad enough that my brain is nothing but a collection of pop culture references now even that's starting to slip.
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Time makes fools of us all.
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It took me some time but I think I found what Nik was thinking of:
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Which, if I had known it at the time, would've been a great coup de grace here.
 
And deal better with coaches who put winning at young age above having fun and developing skills.
  It matters absolutely nothing if you win an under 10 game by shortening your bench and leaving kids behind in sport that can hardly afford to alienate numbers. 
Bullfrog said:
Nothing wrong with trying to win and score. I think the key is to teach kids how to be gracious winners and losers. You can't teach that if you don't have winners and losers.
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Bates said:
And deal better with coaches who put winning at young age above having fun and developing skills.
  It matters absolutely nothing if you win an under 10 game by shortening your bench and leaving kids behind in sport that can hardly afford to alienate numbers. 
Bullfrog said:
Nothing wrong with trying to win and score. I think the key is to teach kids how to be gracious winners and losers. You can't teach that if you don't have winners and losers.
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I have coached kids soccer for the past 10 years at multiple levels.  I will say that the problem is not the kids, and it is definitely the coaches/adults involved. 

Removing the score has no impact on the kids.  The know the score, they know who won they know who scored the goals. 

By removing the score they are trying to get coaches to stop coaching to win.  It's a hard thing to do.  I'm a competitive person.  It's hard to watch a team that I coach lose.  The thing is though, if we lose, but I know that every kid got a chance to play as equally as possible, and that every kid had fun, then it's mission accomplished. 

The problem is that there are coaches that can't park that competitive nature, even at the recreational level and it's a real problem.  I have coached soccer games, where if my team scores some goals, I have seen the other coach bench a player because isn't as good as another player he wants to play full time, and at the end of the day, that is wrong at the recreational level.     

I think by removing the score they are trying to engineer a better response from the adults involved with the sport, rather than the kids, which is really sad when you think about it.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
Bates said:
And deal better with coaches who put winning at young age above having fun and developing skills.
  It matters absolutely nothing if you win an under 10 game by shortening your bench and leaving kids behind in sport that can hardly afford to alienate numbers. 
Bullfrog said:
Nothing wrong with trying to win and score. I think the key is to teach kids how to be gracious winners and losers. You can't teach that if you don't have winners and losers.
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I have coached kids soccer for the past 10 years at multiple levels.  I will say that the problem is not the kids, and it is definitely the coaches/adults involved. 

Removing the score has no impact on the kids.  The know the score, they know who won they know who scored the goals. 

By removing the score they are trying to get coaches to stop coaching to win.  It's a hard thing to do.  I'm a competitive person.  It's hard to watch a team that I coach lose.  The thing is though, if we lose, but I know that every kid got a chance to play as equally as possible, and that every kid had fun, then it's mission accomplished. 

The problem is that there are coaches that can't park that competitive nature, even at the recreational level and it's a real problem.  I have coached soccer games, where if my team scores some goals, I have seen the other coach bench a player because isn't as good as another player he wants to play full time, and at the end of the day, that is wrong at the recreational level.     

I think by removing the score they are trying to engineer a better response from the adults involved with the sport, rather than the kids, which is really sad when you think about it.
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I remember when Mr. Walter Gretzky, Wayne's father,  once gave some advice to  a relative of mine whose son was playing in the GTHL by saying ..."Most important...it's gotta be fun.  Gotta keep it fun."  He practically emphasized those words. 

He definitely had a point there.
 
When I played high school football and we were highly competitive and wanted to win. If we lost did we cry. Hell no! We just loved to play as hard as we could, even if we lost.  And loved every minute of it.
 
This is a very interesting article on JvR

https://theathletic.com/180409/2017/12/20/james-van-riemsdyk-credits-hall-of-famer-adam-oates-with-helping-take-his-game-to-next-level/

One thing van Riemsdyk points to is that goalies have their own dedicated off-season coaches, something he believes scorers are going to have to do more to keep up with how much better netminders have become.

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?The goalies have been doing that for years,? van Riemsdyk said. ?It?s interesting. If you look at the position that?s made the most progress in hockey in the last 25, 30 years, it?s been goaltending. Obviously they?ve caught up and surpassed skaters. We wonder, too, if that (extra skills work) is why goal scoring is down.
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https://theathletic.com/191019/2017/12/20/how-unique-is-jamie-oleksiaks-ability-to-play-the-right-side-despite-being-left-handed/

Pittsburgh recently traded for Oleksiak. It?s not directly related to the Leafs, but this article touches on the mechanics of playing weakside on defense, and also the benefits of having good skating giant defensemen (which we?ve drafted several potentials).
 
https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/944223250481057793

Matthews' first full practice since December 9th. A good sign that he'll be ready to return to the line-up tomorrow night. If he misses that one too he'll almost certainly be good to go when the Leafs return from the Christmas break in Arizona on the 28th.
 
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