2017 Trade Deadline Watch

[Kin]

In my best case scenario, if they can't make a deal with someone to get the d-men prospects, then they use the returns to acquire a couple of 20-23 year old solid top 4 prospects that can play limited minutes today.

I guess what I don't see there is who out there is a really solid prospect in that age range that a team would move and that isn't already in the NHL. If you look at the 2012-2014 drafts I think you're hard pressed to find guys who qualify there.

 

[Deebo]

If Detriot decides to sell and they retain some salary.

What about Mike Green?

Right handed, playing 24 minutes a night, only 1 year left after this year. I'm not the best a reading possession stats, but they seem pretty good.

If the Wings would retain 2M, at 4M, he could be solid addition to the top 4.

 

[bustaheims]

I'm not the best a reading possession stats, but they seem pretty good.

His possession stats this season are pretty average - a touch below 50% in Corsi and Fenwick. That does put him slightly above Detroit's overall numbers, so, that's encouraging. His scoring chances against, however, comes in a little worse than the Wings' average. So, probably not a huge boost to the defensive side of things, but he does seem like a good fit for the Leafs' style of play. If the Wings are willing to retain salary and aren't asking for much for him, he could be an interesting short-term add.

EDIT: That being said, if the Wings do decide to sell, I imagine they can get more for Green than the Leafs should be giving up.

 

[Kin]

Yeah the thing with Green is I'd almost rather Detroit didn't retain salary and were willing to take a less attractive offer in order to get the salary off the books. The asset cost seems to be a much bigger problem than fitting him under the cap next year.

 

[AvroArrow]

One thought that's been bouncing around in my head is, I wonder if there's a way to take advantage of Minnesota.  They're gonna have to expose 2 defenders and lose 1.

Trading for 1 of their defenders doesn't do any good, but what if we traded for 2 of them and sent back Zaitsev?

Something like:

Dumba or Brodin + Spurgeon or Scandella

For

Zaitsev + <something to close out value>

This way, Minnesota doesn't lose a defender for nothing, and receive at least one top4 defender back.

Leafs, meanwhile, pickup a young top4 guy, plus a mid-aged top4 guy.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

One thought that's been bouncing around in my head is, I wonder if there's a way to take advantage of Minnesota.  They're gonna have to expose 2 defenders and lose 1.

Trading for 1 of their defenders doesn't do any good, but what if we traded for 2 of them and sent back Zaitsev?

Something like:

Dumba or Brodin + Spurgeon or Scandella

For

Zaitsev + <something to close out value>

This way, Minnesota doesn't lose a defender for nothing, and receive at least one top4 defender back.

Leafs, meanwhile, pickup a young top4 guy, plus a mid-aged top4 guy.

So, you want to solve Minnesota's problem by putting us in the same one?

Gardiner
Rielly
Dumba
Spurgeon
Marincin
Carrick

You can only protect three as far as I know and three is most likely given the forwards they'll have to try to protect.

 

[AvroArrow]

So, you want to solve Minnesota's problem by putting us in the same one?

Gardiner
Rielly
Dumba
Spurgeon
Marincin
Carrick

You can only protect three as far as I know and three is most likely given the forwards they'll have to try to protect.

Actually, we can protect 8 players (plus goalie) to ensure we don't lose anything that's part of the core.

Reilly, Gardiner, Dumba/Brodin, Spurgeon/Scandella, Kadri, Brown, JvR, one other player (likely Komarov)

Possibly exposed:
Bozak
Leivo
Rachel
Carrick
Marincin

I think it's worth it to lose one of those guys for what we could get.

 

[AvroArrow]

PS: the protection options are:

7F + 3D + 1G

Or

8 skaters + 1G


Edit: and ideally, you trade Bozak at the deadline to avoid losing him for nothing - he probably has the most value there...

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

PS: the protection options are:

7F + 3D + 1G

Or

8 skaters + 1G


Edit: and ideally, you trade Bozak at the deadline to avoid losing him for nothing - he probably has the most value there...

Option one allows you to protect 11 players versus only 9 with option two?

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Actually, we can protect 8 players (plus goalie) to ensure we don't lose anything that's part of the core.

Reilly, Gardiner, Dumba/Brodin, Spurgeon/Scandella, Kadri, Brown, JvR, one other player (likely Komarov)

Possibly exposed:
Bozak
Leivo
Rachel
Carrick
Marincin

I think it's worth it to lose one of those guys for what we could get.

So the cost becomes Zaitsev, plus something significant to even the value, plus whoever you lose in the expansion draft to get one extra top four defenseman from Minny.

I don't see them going the 8 skater route and if they do get another dman I think it'll be a depth guy to replace Hunlak/Corrado and join Marincin on the bottom pair.

EDIT: I played around with the cap friendly expansion tool and just can't see them exposing some of the guys that they would need to if they go the 8 skater route.

https://www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft

 

[bustaheims]

EDIT: I played around with the cap friendly expansion tool and just can't see them exposing some of the guys that they would need to if they go the 8 skater route.

Me neither. I don't imagine we'll see any significant additions until after the expansion draft.

 

[herman]

EDIT: I played around with the cap friendly expansion tool and just can't see them exposing some of the guys that they would need to if they go the 8 skater route.

Me neither. I don't imagine we'll see any significant additions until after the expansion draft.

Pretty much everyone agrees with this.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2017/2/1/14346830/the-expansion-draft-is-a-giant-dampening-field-on-the-nhl-trade-market-toronto-maple-leafs

I'm expecting a contract extension of Ben Smith so we can meet the requirements, but losing Rychel or Marincin to Vegas.

 

[sneakyray]

the trade deadline is going to be slllllllooooowwwwww this year.

all the insiders are reporting on speculation that other insiders came up with.  There are basically no legit rumours other than bit pieces.  I am glad that I'll be working on deadline day because it'll be painful to watch these clowns talk about nothing all day.

that is all. 

 

[Zee]

the trade deadline is going to be slllllllooooowwwwww this year.

all the insiders are reporting on speculation that other insiders came up with.  There are basically no legit rumours other than bit pieces.  I am glad that I'll be working on deadline day because it'll be painful to watch these clowns talk about nothing all day.

that is all.

With the expansion draft coming up I don't think trading will be slow.  Might not happen all that day but leading up to the day there should be a number of trades.  Teams have to get their rosters together for both the playoffs and the upcoming draft so tough decisions will have to be made by some teams.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Might be interesting to watch Vegas. Not from a blockbuster aspect, but if they trade how will that affect the expansion draft.

 

[sneakyray]

Might be interesting to watch Vegas. Not from a blockbuster aspect, but if they trade how will that affect the expansion draft.

to be honest I forgot about this but I wonder how much it will affect the other teams because he can only make deals for players who aren't playing this year.

 

[Zee]

How does Vegas even factor into trade deadline day?  They have no current players right?  I understand they'll get to pick 30 players in the expansion draft, but how do they fill out the rest of their contracts so they can ice an AHL team as well?

 

[louisstamos]

How does Vegas even factor into trade deadline day?  They have no current players right?  I understand they'll get to pick 30 players in the expansion draft, but how do they fill out the rest of their contracts so they can ice an AHL team as well?

UFA signings?

 

[Zee]

How does Vegas even factor into trade deadline day?  They have no current players right?  I understand they'll get to pick 30 players in the expansion draft, but how do they fill out the rest of their contracts so they can ice an AHL team as well?

UFA signings?

That's a lot of UFA signings.  Is that how it's done?  From the 30 players they pick, I guess 23 stay with the big club and 7 go to their AHL affiliate?  Do they then have to go out and sign another 16 players?

 

[sneakyray]

How does Vegas even factor into trade deadline day?  They have no current players right?  I understand they'll get to pick 30 players in the expansion draft, but how do they fill out the rest of their contracts so they can ice an AHL team as well?

could they trade draft picks for the rights to players who aren't on an nhl roster right now?  Like, for instance, could they trade a 2018 3rd round draft pick for a good jr aged player thats not in a particular teams long term plans?