2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[Frank E]

Well, to be honest with you, I'm still reeling from the TMLfans effort rankings report.  So I don't really have an answer for this.  My confidence is all shot to hell.

You waiting a week to respond really just reinforces your spot on the rankings.

If I did have an answer, it would be ride Andersen until they can acquire a back-up.

This team isn't built to play stifling defense for long stretches...they'll score a lot of goals, but they'll need goaltending to get wins. 

I guess if Dubas is reasonably certain he can acquire a back-up goalie in the next 2 weeks, saying frick it and giving Andersen both starts this week wouldn't be the end of the world. But I just can't see that happening on a consistent basis.

As an aside, would it kind of suck if Hutchinson actually plays really well on Wednesday? Does that delay or even halt Dubas' search for a new back-up goalie even though it's almost certainly still something the team would need?

Yeah, there really just isn't a Hutch scenario here that doesn't end up in Dubas being in a very precarious position, regardless of a few good games.

It's like a deathwatch right now though.

 

[Guilt Trip]

If you had to free up space somewhere in order to upgrade the Leafs 2nd goalie, where would you subtract from? The Leafs are getting excellent value from their league-minimum forwards, and there's nothing to indicate that Dubas won't continue doing that moving forward, with marlies, KHL signings, and "legacy" deals (Spezza).

Forwards making above league-minimum (not named Auston Marnlandavares):
Kerfoot ($3.5-million)
Johnsson ($3.4-million)
Kapanen ($3.2-million)
Hyman ($2.25-million)

The player that, being moved, would hurt the Leafs the least I believe would be Kerfoot. With Spezza settling into 3C, and Gauthier, Petan and Shore options at centre (all making league-minimum).

I would probably move CC but going by your list, I'll disagree with you..Spezza, while I like him, is not a 3rd line permanent centre option. Kerfoot is the future 3rd line centre for us. Goat and Shore are nothing more then 4th line centres. Petan I think could move up the line up but as a winger only. Hyman is the logical choice to go. $2.25M for a checking forward is too much to pay in this day and age of the NHL.

I would prefer to see Engvall as our 3rd line centre, if this means moving Kerfoot to the wing so be it. 4th line this year can be Timashov-Spezza-Goatman
I also wonder where Moore will fit in upon his return,  I wonder if he was playing injured the last 8 games as his game was not the same in the last little span of play.

Oh I like Engvall for 3rd line centre to but lets see what he can do when/if he actually plays centre here. I'd have no issue moving Kerfoot back to his natural position. Moore is a 4th line guy, 3rd line in a pinch, possibly higher if need be. Has great energy. As for playing hurt, not so sure about that. He got hammered with a great bodycheck and left the game and hasn't been back since.
As for where Moore fits, who knows. All I know, barring LTIR, 1 or 2 guys are going on waivers.
Anyway back on your original question, Hyman is the guy to move.

 

[lamajama]

Although he was actually a bit noticeable in the last game, The Goat could be sat. He?s just an offensive black hole. He certainly tries his best but....

 

[Bullfrog]

I think Keefe is in a tough spot here, like Babcock was...I think you have to start Andersen on both weeknights this week...Tuesday start, Wednesday start, then 2 full days of rest, Saturday start.

They're dangerously close to falling out of playoff position.

If you're not giving whoever the back-up is a start during a B2B, then when is he playing? Andersen isn't going to play the next 54 games.

Well, to be honest with you, I'm still reeling from the TMLfans effort rankings report.  So I don't really have an answer for this.  My confidence is all shot to hell.

If I did have an answer, it would be ride Andersen until they can acquire a back-up.

This team isn't built to play stifling defense for long stretches...they'll score a lot of goals, but they'll need goaltending to get wins.

Suck it up, buttercup.

 

[Frank E]

I think Keefe is in a tough spot here, like Babcock was...I think you have to start Andersen on both weeknights this week...Tuesday start, Wednesday start, then 2 full days of rest, Saturday start.

They're dangerously close to falling out of playoff position.

If you're not giving whoever the back-up is a start during a B2B, then when is he playing? Andersen isn't going to play the next 54 games.

Well, to be honest with you, I'm still reeling from the TMLfans effort rankings report.  So I don't really have an answer for this.  My confidence is all shot to hell.

If I did have an answer, it would be ride Andersen until they can acquire a back-up.

This team isn't built to play stifling defense for long stretches...they'll score a lot of goals, but they'll need goaltending to get wins.

Suck it up, buttercup.

That's it.  I've had enough.

I'm taking stress leave.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Anyone have an ETA for Marners return? Must be getting close.

Wednesday..Shore on waivers

 

[Highlander]

Ship to Shore, ship to Shore "Just swim 5 miles to you right, you will come upon Robidas Island,  a nice tropical cocktail is awaiting with a Poo Poo Plater"

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1201909466150526976

So if Marner returns tomorrow Shore, Petan, Engvall, and Marincin would all need to get sent down to the Marlies and the Leafs would have a 20-man roster with Moore on the IR.

If the Leafs wanted to keep an additional player for a little bit they could move Moore to LTIR. He would only need to be expected to miss about another week or so to be eligible for that.

 

[herman]

Are we about to get a skill 4th line...

Does Mitch Marner come in for the opening draw on a zip line firing Skittles out of a tshirt cannon?

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1201909466150526976

So if Marner returns tomorrow Shore, Petan, Engvall, and Marincin would all need to get sent down to the Marlies and the Leafs would have a 20-man roster with Moore on the IR.

If the Leafs wanted to keep an additional player for a little bit they could move Moore to LTIR. He would only need to be expected to miss about another week or so to be eligible for that.

The Leafs have $202,857 in space and a 21 man roster. 13 forwards, 6 D, 2 goalies. Engvall, Petan, Shore, Marincin out. Someone will def be going down for road games. Can't see them carrying an extra forward instead of a D man. If the Leafs wanted to keep Engvall up, they'll have to put Moore on LTIR like you said or waive him.  Was kind of hoping to see Goat get waived but no. I think Spezza has earned his spot.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The Leafs have $202,857 in space and a 21 man roster. 13 forwards, 6 D, 2 goalies. Engvall, Petan, Shore, Marincin out. Someone will def be going down for road games. Can't see them carrying an extra forward instead of a D man. If the Leafs wanted to keep Engvall up, they'll have to put Moore on LTIR like you said or waive him.  Was kind of hoping to see Goat get waived but no. I think Spezza has earned his spot.

There was a time when I was wondering if Timashov would get through waivers but now I think he probably could. So if he was waived too soon that would give the Leafs the flexibility to essentially yo-yo him, Petan, Shore, and Marincin throughout the entire season depending on who they want filling the 21st roster spot.

 

[Highlander]

The Leafs have $202,857 in space and a 21 man roster. 13 forwards, 6 D, 2 goalies. Engvall, Petan, Shore, Marincin out. Someone will def be going down for road games. Can't see them carrying an extra forward instead of a D man. If the Leafs wanted to keep Engvall up, they'll have to put Moore on LTIR like you said or waive him.  Was kind of hoping to see Goat get waived but no. I think Spezza has earned his spot.

Think you are wrong on Timashov, he won't make it through Waivers.

There was a time when I was wondering if Timashov would get through waivers but now I think he probably could. So if he was waived too soon that would give the Leafs the flexibility to essentially yo-yo him, Petan, Shore, and Marincin throughout the entire season depending on who they want filling the 21st roster spot.

 

[Coco-puffs]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1201909466150526976

So if Marner returns tomorrow Shore, Petan, Engvall, and Marincin would all need to get sent down to the Marlies and the Leafs would have a 20-man roster with Moore on the IR.

If the Leafs wanted to keep an additional player for a little bit they could move Moore to LTIR. He would only need to be expected to miss about another week or so to be eligible for that.

LTIR is not retroactive.  If they move Moore to LTIR today, he'd still have to miss the entire minimum LTIR period beginning today. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

LTIR is not retroactive.  If they move Moore to LTIR today, he'd still have to miss the entire minimum LTIR period beginning today. 

Getting some serious deja vu here:

3.  Unfortunately LTIR is not retroactive.  So if they wait 2 weeks, find out JT needs a bit more time, he's gotta sit 10 games or 24 days from the day they put him on LTIR.  Only IR is retroactive.

Believe it is: CBA 50.10.d.vi

A Club may elect to replace a Player who is unfit to play under this Bona-
Fide Long-Term Injury Exception at any point during the period that he is
unfit to play, and any days and games already missed by the Player as a
result of his being unfit to play (i.e., the injury/illness causing him to miss
more than twenty-four (24) calendar days and ten (10) NHL Regular
Season games) prior to the election of the Bona-Fide Long-Term
Injury/Illness Exception shall retroactively count toward the missed
twenty-four (24) calendar days and ten (10) NHL Regular Season games
for the Player.

 

[Bullfrog]

Ya, that would make no sense for it to be not retroactive.

 

[Guilt Trip]

The Leafs have $202,857 in space and a 21 man roster. 13 forwards, 6 D, 2 goalies. Engvall, Petan, Shore, Marincin out. Someone will def be going down for road games. Can't see them carrying an extra forward instead of a D man. If the Leafs wanted to keep Engvall up, they'll have to put Moore on LTIR like you said or waive him.  Was kind of hoping to see Goat get waived but no. I think Spezza has earned his spot.

There was a time when I was wondering if Timashov would get through waivers but now I think he probably could. So if he was waived too soon that would give the Leafs the flexibility to essentially yo-yo him, Petan, Shore, and Marincin throughout the entire season depending on who they want filling the 21st roster spot.

They'll have to get creative with their yo yoing. This is what I found..When a player clears waivers and is sent down and then is called up again, he does not have to clear waivers to be sent down again unless he has played ten games or has been "up" for 30 days. Just an example. Petan was waived on Sept 30th, sent down Oct1, recalled Oct3, sent down Nov 1, called up Nov 5, waived again on Nov 7, down the 8th, up again on the 12th.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

They'll have to get creative with their yo yoing. This is what I found..When a player clears waivers and is sent down and then is called up again, he does not have to clear waivers to be sent down again unless he has played ten games or has been "up" for 30 days. Just an example. Petan was waived on Sept 30th, sent down Oct1, recalled Oct3, sent down Nov 1, called up Nov 5, waived again on Nov 7, down the 8th, up again on the 12th.

Right. Odds are though if they cleared waivers once they can probably do it again later on (like Petan did).

 

[Guilt Trip]

They'll have to get creative with their yo yoing. This is what I found..When a player clears waivers and is sent down and then is called up again, he does not have to clear waivers to be sent down again unless he has played ten games or has been "up" for 30 days. Just an example. Petan was waived on Sept 30th, sent down Oct1, recalled Oct3, sent down Nov 1, called up Nov 5, waived again on Nov 7, down the 8th, up again on the 12th.

Right. Odds are though if they cleared waivers once they can probably do it again later on (like Petan did).

True enough. It's going to get interesting when Moore is healthy and the Leafs have to send another guy down, if they plan on carrying 7 D men on the road. Timashov or Moore. Maybe Goat?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/1201994269457817605

There ya go. I'd expect Moore to (retroactively) go on LTIR when Marner comes off of it then. It'd keep one of Marincin/Petan/Engvall/Shore on the roster while he's out.

 

[princedpw]

They'll have to get creative with their yo yoing. This is what I found..When a player clears waivers and is sent down and then is called up again, he does not have to clear waivers to be sent down again unless he has played ten games or has been "up" for 30 days. Just an example. Petan was waived on Sept 30th, sent down Oct1, recalled Oct3, sent down Nov 1, called up Nov 5, waived again on Nov 7, down the 8th, up again on the 12th.

Right. Odds are though if they cleared waivers once they can probably do it again later on (like Petan did).

True enough. It's going to get interesting when Moore is healthy and the Leafs have to send another guy down, if they plan on carrying 7 D men on the road. Timashov or Moore. Maybe Goat?

Or maybe someone else is injured and they keep putting off the inevitable indefinitely.