2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[nutman]

Sorry I don't feel horrible and I will never let anyone make me feel horrible, except if I am in agreement of the horribleness of it.  Sorry just found out me old mom is on her way out and a bit frigged out today.  :'(

Condolences buddy. I've lost both of my parents and I can empathize how difficult it is.

Same here.. Hang in there.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Sorry just found out me old mom is on her way out and a bit frigged out today.  :'(

Very sorry to hear that...my condolences.

Thanks Hobbes, she is 97 and was out of it the last few years. When you think the passing will be a relief, it is not. You only get one Mom.

Damn straight. Sorry for your loss.

 

[Hobbes]

I think I might have been tempted to pick Schenn off the waiver wire today. At $700k he's not that bad of a defenceman to have available in a 6/7/8 spot, even with Muz potentially coming back after the break.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think I might have been tempted to pick Schenn off the waiver wire today. At $700k he's not that bad of a defenceman to have available in a 6/7/8 spot, even with Muz potentially coming back after the break.

I'd say he's significantly worse than Marincin and we have Liljegren ready to go when any RHD goes down anyway.

 

[bustaheims]

I'd say he's significantly worse than Marincin and we have Liljegren ready to go when any RHD goes down anyway.

Yeah, unless we're somehow also travelling back to 2002, Schenn is just not an upgrade on anyone on the roster.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I think I might have been tempted to pick Schenn off the waiver wire today. At $700k he's not that bad of a defenceman to have available in a 6/7/8 spot, even with Muz potentially coming back after the break.

I'd say he's significantly worse than Marincin and we have Liljegren ready to go when any RHD goes down anyway.

Agree. Schenn is done. If he was serviceable, someone would have claimed him.

 

[Frank E]

All right you chumps, now you've gone and made me angry.  And you really shouldn't do that.

Let me explain a couple of things to you.

"Lockdown" was a brilliant nickname for Schenn.  (A) It's alliterative (twice over) with his first name, so it sounds good when you say it.  (B) It actually expressed something about his game, or at least what everyone expected his game to be ? the guy who can "lock it down."  The fact that he ended up with a so-so career, and didn't live up to that nickname, is not my fault.  (C) And, best of all, it isn't an infantile variation on either of his given names.

Which is what "Lilypad" is.  It's not funny, it's not memorable, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the player or with the game.  The image that comes to mind when you hear that word is a frog, not a hockey player.  It is stupid in every possible universe, and people who insist on using it are imbeciles.

Finally, the fact the some players may call him that just locks down my case.  8) 8) 8)  Because, as I believe Nik once so memorably said, almost all pro hockey players are dopes.

Any questions?

No.

 

[hockeyfan1]

If you could obtain the Rangers goaltender Alexandrar Georgiev, would you part with either of Kapanen, Kerfoot, or Johnsson?  Truth be told, unless Dubas makes a move somewhere, the Seattle expansion franchise will be able to claim either Kapanen or Johnsson.  Either the Leafs maximize their value through trade or find some other way to minimize losses.

Bracco and Timashov would be the way to a trade here, but it has been reported that the Rangers are seeking much higher value for Georgiev.

Speaking of Georgiev, he could be a future reliable for the Leafs (to kill time to further the developments of some of the young goaltending prospects in the system). 

According to Mirtle, the Leafs seem to have an interest in Georgiev.  The question though is, at what cost?

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[Highlander]

Sorry just found out me old mom is on her way out and a bit frigged out today.  :'(

Very sorry to hear that...my condolences.

Thanks Hobbes, she is 97 and was out of it the last few years. When you think the passing will be a relief, it is not. You only get one Mom.

Damn straight. Sorry for your loss.

Thanks everyone, it is very much appreciated.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Sorry just found out me old mom is on her way out and a bit frigged out today.  :'(

Very sorry to hear that...my condolences.

Thanks Hobbes, she is 97 and was out of it the last few years. When you think the passing will be a relief, it is not. You only get one Mom.

Damn straight. Sorry for your loss.

Thanks everyone, it is very much appreciated.

Condolences to you, Highlander.

My Mom is 87 and thank God, still going strong.  She doesn?t look her age at all, nor dress like it (she likes wearing her favourite jeans), and she actually remembers details right down to the last dot...of events or situations from years past.  Lucky me.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Liljegren & Brooks to the Marlies:

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[Pick]

You know which nickname I never understood? Jonas Gustavsson aka "The Monster". No alliteration. He wasn't inhuman...It's the same amount of syllables as his surname...And he wasn't exactly great at stopping pucks. Hate it.

Oh and here's a trick for Timmy's name: Use "lil" then add the "jegren". Lilypad is horrible and you should feel horrible for using it!!

He got that name before moving to NA and the NHL. I believe it had more to do with his size than his talent. He was known to flop around and use his unusually long limbs to make saves like a huge sea monster throwing a limb out of (seemingly) nowhere to make a save.

 

[Highlander]

Alex:  "You are correct for 800 Pick"

 

[Andy007]

You know which nickname I never understood? Jonas Gustavsson aka "The Monster". No alliteration. He wasn't inhuman...It's the same amount of syllables as his surname...And he wasn't exactly great at stopping pucks. Hate it.

Oh and here's a trick for Timmy's name: Use "lil" then add the "jegren". Lilypad is horrible and you should feel horrible for using it!!

He got that name before moving to NA and the NHL. I believe it had more to do with his size than his talent. He was known to flop around and use his unusually long limbs to make saves like a huge sea monster throwing a limb out of (seemingly) nowhere to make a save.

I would have just gone with "The Flounder."

 

[ZBBM]

A few observations based on our collective MotM voting going into the ASG break:

1.  Despite crapping out for the last month or so, Andersen is still the MVP of this team.  That's not a good thing.
2.  What is good is Nylander's season: our best forward night in and night out and that's not just hermantalk.  By far the best value for dollar among the Big 4.
3.  Matthews has been great overall.  If he can play like this in the playoffs I'll give up quibbling about whether he's "elite."
4.  Tavares and Rielly are vying for biggest disappointments.  For Tavares, just 11 Times Votes and a putrid 4 points ? not a single MotM yet.  Jace or no, injury or so, that doesn't work.  Kapanen, Mikheyev, Engvall, are all outpacing him ... WHAT??  Rielly, I have to hope, was floundering because of his undisclosed injury before the broken foot.  Hopefully he comes back fully healed because he plummted from very good to awful in a hurry.
5.  Holl, Spezza, Mikheyev, and Engvall are all big bright spots.  You have to have guys like this emerge and take significant roles.  Kerfoot has been pretty good too.  On the meh side, Hyman, Johnsson, Kapanen look too much like last year's edition of Connor Brown.
6.  On D, after a little spurt post-Keefe Barrie is looking ... well, he's not bringing what Dubas thought he would.

Overall, the team has settled into a well-deserved mediocrity, with the defense dragging the whole enterprise down.  Dubas didn't get it fixed over the summer (and to be fair, he probably couldn't have ... but his attempted fixes were sideways moves at best).  Way too much underperforming going on.  If Andersen doesn't snap-to pretty soon, we could be sellers at the deadline.  Probably should be in any event.

 

[Guilt Trip]

A few observations based on our collective MotM voting going into the ASG break:

1.  Despite crapping out for the last month or so, Andersen is still the MVP of this team.  That's not a good thing.
2.  What is good is Nylander's season: our best forward night in and night out and that's not just hermantalk.  By far the best value for dollar among the Big 4.
3.  Matthews has been great overall.  If he can play like this in the playoffs I'll give up quibbling about whether he's "elite."
4.  Tavares and Rielly are vying for biggest disappointments.  For Tavares, just 11 Times Votes and a putrid 4 points ? not a single MotM yet.  Jace or no, injury or so, that doesn't work.  Kapanen, Mikheyev, Engvall, are all outpacing him ... WHAT??  Rielly, I have to hope, was floundering because of his undisclosed injury before the broken foot.  Hopefully he comes back fully healed because he plummted from very good to awful in a hurry.
5.  Holl, Spezza, Mikheyev, and Engvall are all big bright spots.  You have to have guys like this emerge and take significant roles.  Kerfoot has been pretty good too.  On the meh side, Hyman, Johnsson, Kapanen look too much like last year's edition of Connor Brown.
6.  On D, after a little spurt post-Keefe Barrie is looking ... well, he's not bringing what Dubas thought he would.

Overall, the team has settled into a well-deserved mediocrity, with the defense dragging the whole enterprise down.  Dubas didn't get it fixed over the summer (and to be fair, he probably couldn't have ... but his attempted fixes were sideways moves at best).  Way too much underperforming going on.  If Andersen doesn't snap-to pretty soon, we could be sellers at the deadline.  Probably should be in any event.

I agree with most of what you said.
In regards to Barrie... Since Keefe has taken over he's put up 20 pts in 26 games, he had 7 in 23 for Babs. That's 63pts  pro rated over 82 games and that would be a career high for him. That's exactly what they wanted out of him. As for the defensive side, they knew what they were getting.
Also regarding the D. Yes it isn't up to snuff but the team defence is killing them, not just the 6 guys playing there. We all agree though, it needs to be upgraded.
Johnsson has been disappointing for me. Johnsson should have more points when he played with Matthews and Willy and got PP1 time. I give Kappy a bit, not full, of a pass because it was a mistake playing him on his off wing and I think that messed him up. I don't know what's up with Hyman. He's getting the points but his overall play isn't good, especially lately.
Leafs are still in a decent spot and can make the playoffs. We'll see what Dubas does by trade deadline..

 

[Fanatic]

I have a general question. If it has been discussed somewhere else then I apologize in advance.

Are teams restricted from making a trade during the off week? If the Leafs made a trade now and it involved a player who was away in the Caribbean for a week, what would his obligation be? What if the player continued with his week off and then the team he was traded to had their off week 2 weeks from now?

That is more than one question, but I suppose you get the point.

 

[bustaheims]

I have a general question. If it has been discussed somewhere else then I apologize in advance.

Are teams restricted from making a trade during the off week? If the Leafs made a trade now and it involved a player who was away in the Caribbean for a week, what would his obligation be? What if the player continued with his week off and then the team he was traded to had their off week 2 weeks from now?

That is more than one question, but I suppose you get the point.

Nothing specifically barring a trade. If a player was off this week was traded to a team that wasn't, they'd be expected to report unless they negotiated something with their new team. And, of course, they'd also get that other week off.

It's unlikely we'll see much in terms of significant movement now, though. Teams are gearing up for the deadline, so, talks are almost certainly underway, but a lot of them are probably still in the preliminary stages. Teams are mostly going to use their break - and the other team's breaks - take the opportunity to take stock of where they're at, and finalize their strategies and scenarios for the deadline.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I have a general question. If it has been discussed somewhere else then I apologize in advance.

Are teams restricted from making a trade during the off week? If the Leafs made a trade now and it involved a player who was away in the Caribbean for a week, what would his obligation be? What if the player continued with his week off and then the team he was traded to had their off week 2 weeks from now?

That is more than one question, but I suppose you get the point.

Nothing specifically barring a trade. If a player was off this week was traded to a team that wasn't, they'd be expected to report unless they negotiated something with their new team. And, of course, they'd also get that other week off.

The more interesting scenario would be if a trade cost a player a bye week though. Like the Leafs got theirs pre-ASG. What if all-star weekend they acquired a guy who was supposed to get his post-ASG? If the Leafs forced him to report to the team right away then he wouldn't get a break. That's something the PA would probably cause a fuss over.

You're right that this is incredibly unlikely, but crazy things like it have happened before. Like when Ozolinsh was traded between conferences right because an all-star game he was a participant in.

 

[Bender]

Every team above us, including Florida, have gone on a run lately. We are really going to be in tough to make it in without putting in a really solid final 30 something games. One wonders where the team would be if Keefe was allowed to take over in the summer.