2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[herman]

Mirtle reports that the Leafs offered Clifford a 3 year deal at 1+M AAV, that he then turned down (thanks, Kyle).
To which I say, like why?
But then when he's a UFA, and re-signs here for 2 years 1M AAV (no need to change that pick after it's been puck, right?), I'll be like cool.

That conditional pick is from the 2021 draft so I would assume it would still upgrade to a 2nd rounder even if Clifford is re-signed after the draft/after the free agency period begins.

Oh hey I did not read the fine print. Does signing a UFA count as a re-signing though?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Mirtle reports that the Leafs offered Clifford a 3 year deal at 1+M AAV, that he then turned down (thanks, Kyle).
To which I say, like why?
But then when he's a UFA, and re-signs here for 2 years 1M AAV (no need to change that pick after it's been puck, right?), I'll be like cool.

That conditional pick is from the 2021 draft so I would assume it would still upgrade to a 2nd rounder even if Clifford is re-signed after the draft/after the free agency period begins.

Oh hey I did not read the fine print. Does signing a UFA count as a re-signing though?

I haven't seen anyone say for sure one way or another so I just just assume yes.

 

[herman]

Mirtle reports that the Leafs offered Clifford a 3 year deal at 1+M AAV, that he then turned down (thanks, Kyle).
To which I say, like why?
But then when he's a UFA, and re-signs here for 2 years 1M AAV (no need to change that pick after it's been puck, right?), I'll be like cool.

That conditional pick is from the 2021 draft so I would assume it would still upgrade to a 2nd rounder even if Clifford is re-signed after the draft/after the free agency period begins.

Oh hey I did not read the fine print. Does signing a UFA count as a re-signing though?

I haven't seen anyone say for sure one way or another so I just assume yes.

That's probably right in terms of the spirit of the agreement, even though it is technically wrong by the letter of the condition.

 

[Bender]

Mirtle reports that the Leafs offered Clifford a 3 year deal at 1+M AAV, that he then turned down (thanks, Kyle).
To which I say, like why?
But then when he's a UFA, and re-signs here for 2 years 1M AAV (no need to change that pick after it's been puck, right?), I'll be like cool.

That conditional pick is from the 2021 draft so I would assume it would still upgrade to a 2nd rounder even if Clifford is re-signed after the draft/after the free agency period begins.

Oh hey I did not read the fine print. Does signing a UFA count as a re-signing though?

I haven't seen anyone say for sure one way or another so I just assume yes.

That's probably right in terms of the spirit of the agreement, even though it is technically wrong by the letter of the condition.

Brandon Pridham: Can you say... LOOPHOLE???

 

[Bullfrog]

That's probably right in terms of the spirit of the agreement, even though it is technically wrong by the letter of the condition.

What is the actual wording of the condition? Is it re-signing or extension?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1313454810465697794

See, this is how you tamper. Take note Devils GM.

 

[herman]

That's probably right in terms of the spirit of the agreement, even though it is technically wrong by the letter of the condition.

What is the actual wording of the condition? Is it re-signing or extension?

From CapFriendly:
Los Angeles Kings Acquire:
Trevor Moore
2020 3rd round pick (CBJ - #83)
2021 conditional 3rd round pick* (TOR - #92)
*Conditions: The 2021 3rd round pick upgrades to a 2nd round pick if either Kyle Clifford re-signs with Toronto OR if the Leafs make the 2019-20 playoffs and Jack Campbell wins 6 regular season games.

Updated conditions: Due the the shortened season, the NHL ruled that the 2021 3rd rounds pick upgrades to a 2021 2nd round pick if the Leafs win their qualifying round series and Jack Campbell gets 2 or more wins OR if Kyle Clifford re-signs with Toronto.

 

[bustaheims]

That's probably right in terms of the spirit of the agreement, even though it is technically wrong by the letter of the condition.

What is the actual wording of the condition? Is it re-signing or extension?

Extensions technically no longer exist (at least, in terms of the language of the CBA, standard contract, etc.), so, it would have to be worded around re-signing. The question is whether the deal included a cut-off date for the re-signing period, or if it applies to him re-signing with the Leafs this off-season (or, possibly even before the end of the 20/21 season on the off-chance he doesn't get a contract before the season starts). Nothing has been announced/released re: a cut-off date, but that doesn't necessarily rule it out.

 

[Bullfrog]

Thanks guys, that's what I figured. I was using "extension" in the old way (i.e. re-signed while still under contract.) Techncially, it's a new contract either way.

Unless the actual terms in the agreement between the two clubs varies from what CapFriendly is reporting, seems to me it doesn't matter when he re-signs.

It's hard to say without seeing the actual agreement.

 

[Zee]

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1313454810465697794

See, this is how you tamper. Take note Devils GM.

Spezza-Simmonds ... we need another "S" on the 4th line to make it the triple S line.  Scott Sabourin?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1313454810465697794

See, this is how you tamper. Take note Devils GM.

Spezza-Simmonds ... we need another "S" on the 4th line to make it the triple S line.  Scott Sabourin?

Sclifford.

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1313454810465697794

See, this is how you tamper. Take note Devils GM.

Spezza-Simmonds ... we need another "S" on the 4th line to make it the triple S line.  Scott Sabourin?

Sclifford.

Shornton lol.

 

[Deebo]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1313674861852717058

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1313674861852717058

This was obvious. I'm curious to see if they qualify Goat.

 

[Bender]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1313674861852717058

Wonder if they end up circling back.

 

[L K]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1313674861852717058

This was obvious. I'm curious to see if they qualify Goat.

Bracco, Jeremy $750,000
Dermott, Travis $832,500
Gauthier, Fr?d?rik $700,000
Mikheyev, Ilya $832,500
Rodrigues, Evan $2,000,000
Veronneau, Max $832,500

Does Bracco get qualified?  I don't want to roam too far down the personal problems territory but there were some things coming out last year about a certain junior lockerroom and recreational activities that I wouldn't be shocked having something to do with his time away from the team this year.

I'm good with them not retaining Gauthier but if he signs for 700K I'm fine with him as depth.  I just don't want to see him in the lineup  very often.

Hopefully Dermott just takes his QO at this point on a 1-year deal.

 

[bustaheims]

Bracco, Jeremy $750,000
Dermott, Travis $832,500
Gauthier, Fr?d?rik $700,000
Mikheyev, Ilya $832,500
Rodrigues, Evan $2,000,000
Veronneau, Max $832,500

Does Bracco get qualified?  I don't want to roam too far down the personal problems territory but there were some things coming out last year about a certain junior lockerroom and recreational activities that I wouldn't be shocked having something to do with his time away from the team this year.

I'm good with them not retaining Gauthier but if he signs for 700K I'm fine with him as depth.  I just don't want to see him in the lineup  very often.

Hopefully Dermott just takes his QO at this point on a 1-year deal.

Bracco is an interesting case - he's clearly not part of the team's plans, but I don't see them just letting an asset like him go for nothing. He doesn't have a ton of value, but I have to imagine he might be able to be that extra piece needed to make a trade work.

I suspect everyone else gets qualified (on the fence on Veronneau, but he's also not super consequential).

 

[bustaheims]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1313851565564932103

 

[Guilt Trip]

I think they'll qualify Bracco. Marlies need players too. Maybe he can still put it all together. Very low risk.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1313948427693289472