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2021-2022 NHL Thread

Frank E said:
Draisaitl has 17 goals in 16 games so far this season.
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It's funny to remember that the Oilers were initially criticized a decent amount for signing him to his current contract.

Now it's funny to think about how they wasted half of it.
 
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I like Ian Mendes, but the accusation of Toronto bias keeping Alfredsson out of the HHOF is cringey.
 
If anything you'd think a Toronto bias would help Alfredsson as it's really only within the context of the Leafs-Sens rivalry that Alfredsson was a particularly important player.

Other than that Alfredsson's career is really the story of a guy who was frequently only the 2nd or 3rd best forward on his own team.
 
Nik said:
If anything you'd think a Toronto bias would help Alfredsson as it's really only within the context of the Leafs-Sens rivalry that Alfredsson was a particularly important player.

Other than that Alfredsson's career is really the story of a guy who was frequently only the 2nd or 3rd best forward on his own team.
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I think he has a 50/50 shot and may get in eventually. Does he not have a decent international career as well?
 
Nik said:
If anything you'd think a Toronto bias would help Alfredsson as it's really only within the context of the Leafs-Sens rivalry that Alfredsson was a particularly important player.

Other than that Alfredsson's career is really the story of a guy who was frequently only the 2nd or 3rd best forward on his own team.
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Yeah. His career numbers are good but not HHOF good, and without much serious consideration for any major end of season awards, his case is just not great. Hall of Very Good, but not Hall of Fame.
 
bustaheims said:
Nik said:
If anything you'd think a Toronto bias would help Alfredsson as it's really only within the context of the Leafs-Sens rivalry that Alfredsson was a particularly important player.

Other than that Alfredsson's career is really the story of a guy who was frequently only the 2nd or 3rd best forward on his own team.
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Yeah. His career numbers are good but not HHOF good, and without much serious consideration for any major end of season awards, his case is just not great. Hall of Very Good, but not Hall of Fame.
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Couldn't you say that to some degree about Sundin though?
 
Bender said:
Couldn't you say that to some degree about Sundin though?
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Sundin cracked 500 goals and a career point per game player, and was clearly the best player on his team for most of his career. Throw in his captaining the Swedish international team for years, and he has a much stronger case than Alfredsson?s career as a second fiddle.
 
Bender said:
I think he has a 50/50 shot and may get in eventually.
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He may but if he does I think part of the reason is because of the Canadian media attention. If you compare him to someone like Patrik Elias, who I don't think a lot of people are lining up to put in the HOF, I'm not sure there's a real edge to Alfredsson.
 
bustaheims said:
Bender said:
Couldn't you say that to some degree about Sundin though?
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Sundin cracked 500 goals and a career point per game player, and was clearly the best player on his team for most of his career. Throw in his captaining the Swedish international team for years, and he has a much stronger case than Alfredsson?s career as a second fiddle.
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I actually think looking at their international careers is a pretty good way to gauge them as players because, at least to one extent or another, you're putting them in a somewhat neutral context.

Sundin played 79 games for Sweden's Men's Senior team, scoring 43 goals and 94 points for a 45 goal/98 point per 82 game pace.

Alfredsson played 88 games for the Sweden's Mens team and scored at a 30 goal/69 point pace per 82.

That may exaggerate the difference between them by a bit but, honestly, not by much.
 
Bender said:
bustaheims said:
Nik said:
If anything you'd think a Toronto bias would help Alfredsson as it's really only within the context of the Leafs-Sens rivalry that Alfredsson was a particularly important player.

Other than that Alfredsson's career is really the story of a guy who was frequently only the 2nd or 3rd best forward on his own team.
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Yeah. His career numbers are good but not HHOF good, and without much serious consideration for any major end of season awards, his case is just not great. Hall of Very Good, but not Hall of Fame.
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Couldn't you say that to some degree about Sundin though?
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Modano is more of a guy I?m say it applies to more than Sundin. But he has a Cup so somehow that makes him an automatic whereas Sundin and Alfredsson had/have that held against them.
 
Calgary has 7 shutouts in 19 games played so far this year.  They are 0-2-3 against their own conference and 11-1-2 against the East
 
L K said:
Calgary has 7 shutouts in 19 games played so far this year.  They are 0-2-3 against their own conference and 11-1-2 against the East
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Wait... they've played just 5 games against their own conference so far?
 
CarltonTheBear said:
L K said:
Calgary has 7 shutouts in 19 games played so far this year.  They are 0-2-3 against their own conference and 11-1-2 against the East
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Wait... they've played just 5 games against their own conference so far?
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The NHL is awesome at schedules.

Flyers x2, Rangers x2, Boston, Buffalo, Detroit, Montreal, Islanders, Senators, Penguins, Leafs, Capitals

Anaheim, Edmonton, Nashville, San Jose, Dallas

So only 3 games against their own division essentially a 1/4 of the way through the season.
 
Also how is it that Boston has played 5 fewer games than the Leafs?  Are they ever going to catch up or just cut the season short for them?
 
Zee said:
Also how is it that Boston has played 5 fewer games than the Leafs?  Are they ever going to catch up or just cut the season short for them?
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It got brought up in the Leafs schedule thread but Colorado with 14 GP.  They play almost as many games in December as they do in the first month and a half of the year.  The schedule is stupid this year. 
 
One fun thing I found was that the Leafs don't play Florida, who they could be battling with for the top spot in the Atlantic division, until March 27th (game 65 of the season).
 
CarltonTheBear said:
One fun thing I found was that the Leafs don't play Florida, who they could be battling with for the top spot in the Atlantic division, until March 27th (game 65 of the season).
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You would have found this out earlier had you followed Zee's handy dandy 10 game chunk thread.  ;)
 
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