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2021 Blue Jays General Discussion Thread

Nik said:
I know the hope for some is they add two more starting pitchers with Walker and Paxton being the guys most mentioned as free agents. If they do that, or add one guy and trade for another, then Matz is gravy. That said, it seems weird when you figure they're probably near their spending limit for the off-season to add Matz at 5 million so maybe this means they're only targeting one guy?

Do they have any significant money guys rumoured or available to be moved out?
 
OldTimeHockey said:
Nik said:
I know the hope for some is they add two more starting pitchers with Walker and Paxton being the guys most mentioned as free agents. If they do that, or add one guy and trade for another, then Matz is gravy. That said, it seems weird when you figure they're probably near their spending limit for the off-season to add Matz at 5 million so maybe this means they're only targeting one guy?

Do they have any significant money guys rumoured or available to be moved out?

The only one you could maybe see a scenario where they trade him is Grichuk as the 4th outfielder at 10.3M/year for the next 3 years.  He's not a bad player but I just don't think he's going to have much in the way of trade value though so I doubt he gets moved.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
Do they have any significant money guys rumoured or available to be moved out?

Grichuk is the only guy who really fits the bill and his name has been mentioned in some trade scenarios. That said, it's tough to know if he really has value or if they'd have to take money back on it or eat most of it.
 
Nik said:
OldTimeHockey said:
Do they have any significant money guys rumoured or available to be moved out?

Grichuk is the only guy who really fits the bill and his name has been mentioned in some trade scenarios. That said, it's tough to know if he really has value or if they'd have to take money back on it or eat most of it.

Yeah, I suppose if it's not opening up money for the Pitchers needed, there's no real reason to make the move as Grichuk has proven to be at least somewhat serviceable. Unless you're interested in someone else's 10 million dollar pitcher but I guess that would just be buying another number 4 or 5
 
Well, the issue with Grichuk right now is playing time. If he's the 4th outfielder and you figure the DH spot is mainly going to see some mix of Vladdy/Rowdy/Kirk then he's not going to get a lot of at-bats. He's an awfully good 4th outfielder to have around if you're going to be paying him anyway but I think some people think that with the line-up so righthanded heavy that there may be value in shipping him out for peanuts and finding a lefty/switch hitter who can be around for pinch hitting duties. That or you make an offer of prospects to a team for a pitcher so attractive that they take Grichuk too.
 
Nik said:
Well, the issue with Grichuk right now is playing time. If he's the 4th outfielder and you figure the DH spot is mainly going to see some mix of Vladdy/Rowdy/Kirk then he's not going to get a lot of at-bats. He's an awfully good 4th outfielder to have around if you're going to be paying him anyway but I think some people think that with the line-up so righthanded heavy that there may be value in shipping him out for peanuts and finding a lefty/switch hitter who can be around for pinch hitting duties. That or you make an offer of prospects to a team for a pitcher so attractive that they take Grichuk too.
Roger that. Makes sense.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
Nik said:
I know the hope for some is they add two more starting pitchers with Walker and Paxton being the guys most mentioned as free agents. If they do that, or add one guy and trade for another, then Matz is gravy. That said, it seems weird when you figure they're probably near their spending limit for the off-season to add Matz at 5 million so maybe this means they're only targeting one guy?

Do they have any significant money guys rumoured or available to be moved out?

In addition to Grichuk, maybe Roark.
 
I haven't followed the Jays for a bit. Do we have any good hitters who can take the ball oppo? I know the big ticket is always upward swings and dead pull dingers, but I like base path pressure to manufacture runs and tire out opposing starters too.
 
I don't entirely understand the interest in opposite field hitting but you can look up any player's spray chart, by year or for their career, on Fangraphs.
 
Deebo said:
OldTimeHockey said:
Nik said:
I know the hope for some is they add two more starting pitchers with Walker and Paxton being the guys most mentioned as free agents. If they do that, or add one guy and trade for another, then Matz is gravy. That said, it seems weird when you figure they're probably near their spending limit for the off-season to add Matz at 5 million so maybe this means they're only targeting one guy?

Do they have any significant money guys rumoured or available to be moved out?

In addition to Grichuk, maybe Roark.
I'll so anything to get rid of the Doark.
 
herman said:
I haven't followed the Jays for a bit. Do we have any good hitters who can take the ball oppo? I know the big ticket is always upward swings and dead pull dingers, but I like base path pressure to manufacture runs and tire out opposing starters too.

I heard Devon White might be available.
 
MLB's top 100 prospect list is out:

https://www.mlb.com/prospects

Jays do alright. 3 guys in the top 50 plus SWR at 87. Pearson is at #10 and is the top RHP.

I think the interesting thing is that with Springer signed and Bichette at SS that makes 2B maybe the best eventual spot for Austin Martin which maybe makes Groshans a good piece to use in a trade for pitching.
 
Nik said:
MLB's top 100 prospect list is out:

https://www.mlb.com/prospects

Jays do alright. 3 guys in the top 50 plus SWR at 87. Pearson is at #10 and is the top RHP.

I think the interesting thing is that with Springer signed and Bichette at SS that makes 2B maybe the best eventual spot for Austin Martin which maybe makes Groshans a good piece to use in a trade for pitching.

I would worry about counting on Springer in CF for more than a couple seasons. If Groshans is involved in a trade for pitching, it would have to be for a #2 starter under control for at least 3 years.

My strategy for the rotation this year would be to sign someone like Odorizzi or Paxton and if you can, trade for a more proven starter without including a top prospect.

If a deal like that can't be made, go into the year and see how the market develops and how rotation depth performs during the season and leading up to the deadline and make your addition then if needed.
 
Deebo said:
I would worry about counting on Springer in CF for more than a couple seasons. If Groshans is involved in a trade for pitching, it would have to be for a #2 starter under control for at least 3 years.

Realistically I don't think you can ever really game plan more than a few years out anyway. I think Springer should be good in CF for another 3-4 years and if not you would still have Martin around or you just go out and get someone new.

I agree that you'd only trade Groshans if the return is something legit along the lines of the Snell or Darvish deals.

Deebo said:
My strategy for the rotation this year would be to sign someone like Odorizzi or Paxton and if you can, trade for a more proven starter without including a top prospect.

Again, I agree but I personally hope that Taijuan Walker is the guy.
 
Nik said:
I don't entirely understand the interest in opposite field hitting but you can look up any player's spray chart, by year or for their career, on Fangraphs.

Thanks!
 
L K said:
So is a lockout inevitable after this season?

Strong possibility with the way things have gone so far - though, given MLB's history, if games are going to be lost, it's more likely via strike (which, for practical purposes, is a distinction without a meaningful difference, it just changes who initiates it).
 
L K said:
So is a lockout inevitable after this season?

Yeah but it's been coming for a while. Between the service time stuff, teams not spending to be competitive and the luxury tax serving as a salary cap in all but name while profits have consistently gone up along with franchise values was going to lead to a fight regardless of the pandemic. What's gone on the last two years is a symptom of a lousy relationship, not the cause of one.
 
Nik said:
L K said:
So is a lockout inevitable after this season?

Yeah but it's been coming for a while. Between the service time stuff, teams not spending to be competitive and the luxury tax serving as a salary cap in all but name while profits have consistently gone up along with franchise values was going to lead to a fight regardless of the pandemic. What's gone on the last two years is a symptom of a lousy relationship, not the cause of one.

Oh absolutely.  I'm just enjoying round two of "the MLBPA isn't bargaining in good faith" from the media when its extremely obviously why they don't want to open up negotiation on the CBA to put the season into gear when it would let MLB impose whatever the hell they want.
 
https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1356604398152081408

Well, good thing we moved Biggio off second.
 
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