2022 Blue Jays

[Kin]

Rangers going wild. Have signed Corey Seager for 10 years, 325 million. I guess that means they keep Semien at 2B?

 

[L K]

Rangers going wild. Have signed Corey Seager for 10 years, 325 million. I guess that means they keep Semien at 2B?

I don?t like the length of the Semien contract but this Seager contract is pure batshit insane

 

[Andy007]

Wow. Not sure if this closes the door on Ray but that's a solid addition to the rotation at a pretty reasonable price.

Ray just went for $115M/5yrs. Is Gausman comparable?

I think so. Especially when you factor in the draft pick. In a perfect world would I have taken Ray over Gausman at these respective deals? Maybe. But there certainly isn't a huge difference and I understand why someone might lean the other way in thinking Gausman has a lot of room for improvement under Pete Walker whereas we already saw what Walker could do for Ray.

I think, though, that the opt-out after the 3rd year on Ray's deal makes Gausman's more desirable. If Ray proves he's an ace, he's 100% gone in 3 years; if Gausman pans out, we still get him for all 5. The only way Seattle gets Ray for all 5 is if he pitches poorly and/or gets injured.

 

[Kin]

I think, though, that the opt-out after the 3rd year on Ray's deal makes Gausman's more desirable. If Ray proves he's an ace, he's 100% gone in 3 years; if Gausman pans out, we still get him for all 5. The only way Seattle gets Ray for all 5 is if he pitches poorly and/or gets injured.

Sure but that's mitigated a bit, I think, by the idea that these guys both might be good for the first few years of their deal and then less effective in the later years in which case the Ray scenario isn't so bad. Add in the devil you know factor and I can make an argument either way. Regardless, I'm not complaining. I think Gausman could be really good.

 

[Kin]

Rangers going wild. Have signed Corey Seager for 10 years, 325 million. I guess that means they keep Semien at 2B?

I don?t like the length of the Semien contract but this Seager contract is pure batshit insane

The thing about these huge 10 year, 250+ million dollar deals is just that, like, none of them seem smart or like they work out. Even the Mike Trout deal you have to wonder about now that he's getting hurt a bit. Guys like Betts or Lindor or Machado are all great players but do you really want those deals now? Even Harper after winning the MVP, it still seems like a crazy risk.

 

[Joe S.]

Rangers going wild. Have signed Corey Seager for 10 years, 325 million. I guess that means they keep Semien at 2B?

I don?t like the length of the Semien contract but this Seager contract is pure batshit insane

The thing about these huge 10 year, 250+ million dollar deals is just that, like, none of them seem smart or like they work out. Even the Mike Trout deal you have to wonder about now that he's getting hurt a bit. Guys like Betts or Lindor or Machado are all great players but do you really want those deals now? Even Harper after winning the MVP, it still seems like a crazy risk.

I see what you?re saying and generally agree but I?d give bichette and Guerrero 10 year deals right now without blinking an eye. Different situations, I know.

 

[Kin]

I see what you?re saying and generally agree but I?d give bichette and Guerrero 10 year deals right now without blinking an eye. Different situations, I know.

That's fair. I think the only deal so far where a guy who wasn't close to free agency who got that length and money is Tatis(even the crazy Wander Franco deal the Rays just signed is only a max of 220 million) and the jury is very much out on that one.

 

[Joe S.]

I?m still in shock over the scherzer contract. That?s just lunacy.

 

[Kin]

Javy Baez to the Tigers for 6/140.

There are rumours that the Jays are looking at Chris Taylor and Kris Bryant, both of whom I think are pretty unexciting if you'd have to give them big term and money.

My dream scenario right now is the Jays sign someone like Yusei Kikuchi as a 5th starter and then put together a Lourdes Gurriel, Alejandro Kirk + prospects package to trade for either Jose Ramirez or Matt Chapman(or if it's Chapman maybe Chapman + a pitcher). Then sign someone at a reasonable price to replace Gurriel(Seiya Suzuki or Michael Conforto), bring up Moreno into Kirk's spot and use Espinal/Biggio at 2nd with a long term eye to that being the spot for Orelvis Martinez

 

[bustaheims]

I think Bryant could put up some huge numbers playing half the year at the Dome, but, the contract is definitely a concern there. Taylor would have to come on a reasonable short-term deal to be palatable.

I'm not super interested in Chapman, largely because I'm not really a "three true outcomes" guy, but he wouldn't be a terrible add. Ramirez would be great, but I think the acquisition cost is going to be higher than what you suggest. I think I'd prefer short-term, lower cost plays to shore up in the infield, with the outlook being for Groshans/Martinez taking over within a season or two.

 

[Kin]

I think Bryant could put up some huge numbers playing half the year at the Dome, but, the contract is definitely a concern there. Taylor would have to come on a reasonable short-term deal to be palatable.

I'm not super interested in Chapman, largely because I'm not really a "three true outcomes" guy, but he wouldn't be a terrible add. Ramirez would be great, but I think the acquisition cost is going to be higher than what you suggest. I think I'd prefer short-term, lower cost plays to shore up in the infield, with the outlook being for Groshans/Martinez taking over within a season or two.

I think that makes a certain degree of sense but I can't help but think they should be making a push for immediate competitiveness with Vladdy/Bo in their cheap years. That said I think there are some guys like Kyle Seager who would be a good short term solution at 3B and someone like Nelson Cruz could be interesting if they want an everyday DH to replace some of Semien's offense.

 

[Joe S.]

Cruz you will be 42 in July. I?m not sure he makes sense as a target.

 

[Deebo]

I think that makes a certain degree of sense but I can't help but think they should be making a push for immediate competitiveness with Vladdy/Bo in their cheap years.

I agree, its time to go for it.

That said I think there are some guys like Kyle Seager who would be a good short term solution at 3B and someone like Nelson Cruz could be interesting if they want an everyday DH to replace some of Semien's offense.

It doesn't seem like this front office likes to have a full time DH.

 

[bustaheims]

Cruz you will be 42 in July. I?m not sure he makes sense as a target.

He'd definitely be a one-year play, but, even at his age, he's a productive bat. That being said, I'm not sure using a roster spot on a pure DH is the right way to go. I think you look for someone who can at least fill in at 1B or in the OF.

 

[Kin]

Cruz you will be 42 in July. I?m not sure he makes sense as a target.

The tailing off he did at the end of the year is for sure a concern but, I mean, he still hit pretty well at 41.

 

[Kin]

It doesn't seem like this front office likes to have a full time DH.

No, which is maybe the Chris Taylor thinking as a guy who can play everyday at a bunch of positions and let you rotate guys in the DH spot the way they've been doing. I always just feel that come playoff time you want your 9 guys who you like going with every day and you don't want to just throw your best bench bat in there.

 

[Joe S.]

Cruz you will be 42 in July. I?m not sure he makes sense as a target.

The tailing off he did at the end of the year is for sure a concern but, I mean, he still hit pretty well at 41.

I?ve had a bit of a change of heart on 1 dimensional players lately. I watched this video on what a liability a player like puljols is on the bases. Even if he can hit he?s a black hole around the diamond.

https://youtu.be/OCiUaNIqmS4

Have a watch - I really like this channel, great informational baseball content.

 

[bustaheims]

No, which is maybe the Chris Taylor thinking as a guy who can play everyday at a bunch of positions and let you rotate guys in the DH spot the way they've been doing. I always just feel that come playoff time you want your 9 guys who you like going with every day and you don't want to just throw your best bench bat in there.

Chris Taylor would definitely be the guy I'd target if the team is looking to fill this kind of role.

 

[Bender]

So I just did some reading and it's expected Marcus Stroman should get around Ray money. I don't recall Stroman being that good with the Jays?

 

[Joe S.]

So I just did some reading and it's expected Marcus Stroman should get around Ray money. I don't recall Stroman being that good with the Jays?

Stroman is good. Issue with him is that he?s an arrogant dick who is a legend in his own mind. But he?s absolutely a legit strong starting pitcher.