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2025-26 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

I don't get the Trev hate.

Trev tried to trade Marner. Who knows, maybe we would have been cheering (or booing) Marner on Sunday vs. Colorado with the Stanley Cup banner hanging from the rafters had that trade happened.
Trading Marner was not in Treliving's control. I don't blame him for that.

I know Marner leaving was most likely a forgone conclusion, but the way Treliving handled it was terrible.

But that's not why I think he's a terrible GM. It's all the other terrible moves he's done.

People forget that he wasted a draft pick on Tanev just to give him an insane 6 year contract, when I'm sure he would have signed with the leafs when free agency opened.

And that's just 1 example.
 
Trading Marner was not in Treliving's control. I don't blame him for that.

I know Marner leaving was most likely a forgone conclusion, but the way Treliving handled it was terrible.

But that's not why I think he's a terrible GM. It's all the other terrible moves he's done.

People forget that he wasted a draft pick on Tanev just to give him an insane 6 year contract, when I'm sure he would have signed with the leafs when free agency opened.

And that's just 1 example
As L.K. said in the first Vegas gameday thread. Vegas trades firsts and gets Eichel, Hertl, Hannifin. The Leafs trade firsts and get Laughton and Carlo. I think it's that kind of comparison that is tarnishing the legacy of the past two GM's at this point.
 
I'd sell high on OEL. Dude's value hasn't been this this high in probably over 5 years and as great as he's playing I can easily see him hitting a wall next year at 35 anyway. I think you can get a 1st there. I'd move Carlo if we can get maybe a pair of 2nds for him. Saw MLHS suggest you could recoup a 1st there, I don't know if that's doable with how he's playing. His contract is very cheap though and signed through next season. I'd be very reluctant to move McCabe barring some sort of gross overpayment. We can't really do a scorched earth rebuild with Matthews still around for a little bit (and not having our 1st next year anyway doesn't incentivize it anyway) and I think he'll just too way too difficult to replace over the next two seasons especially at anything close to his cap hit. I'd shop Benoit for sure: Carson Soucy just got dealt for a 3rd and I'd argue Benoit is younger, better, cheaper, and signed through next season. So I don't think a 2nd or at least a 3rd and something else is out of the question there.

Up front McMann and Laughton are the obvious candidates. I really like McMann, and can totally accept his inconsistent play at a $1.35mil AAV. I think it'd become tougher to swallow at a $4-5mil AAV and there hasn't been much indications that he'll ever become less streaky, so I probably sell high. I'd love to bring Laughton back, he's clearly got passion for the team and can see him re-signing here at some sort of hometown discount. But that only makes sense if we stop playing him as a 4th line centre and I don't know if that's happening. Jarnkrok's obviously a guy you'd trade for basically anything. Robertson's in a similar boat to McMann. Obviously he's been a bright spot so far this season but he does undoubtedly go through stretches where he's a non-factor. That's very easy to look past at his current cap hit, I don't know where he ends up next season cap wise. Domi's absolutely played himself off the team. Being outscored 8-23 away from Matthews is such an insane stat, the random big-game moments he can make just don't wash that away. One way or another he can't be here next season.

At goalie we've got 3 guys who will almost definitely be in the NHL next season and it won't all be with the Leafs. I've flipped, flopped, and flipped again about which goalie I'd consider moving the most but someone has to get dealt before next season purely from an asset management perspective.
 
I was curious about this so thought I'd share: Domi's contract is basically buyout proof because it was front-loaded and still has a good chunk of signing bonuses remaining. They would be hit with a buyout cap hit $2.75mil for the next two seasons, and $500k for 2 seasons after that. That's a savings of just $1mil in those first two seasons.

But at the same time if the Leafs pay his $1.5mil signing bonus this offseason an acquiring team would only need to owe him $4.5mil total over 2 seasons.
 
I'd sell high on OEL. Dude's value hasn't been this this high in probably over 5 years and as great as he's playing I can easily see him hitting a wall next year at 35 anyway. I think you can get a 1st there. I'd move Carlo if we can get maybe a pair of 2nds for him. Saw MLHS suggest you could recoup a 1st there, I don't know if that's doable with how he's playing. His contract is very cheap though and signed through next season. I'd be very reluctant to move McCabe barring some sort of gross overpayment. We can't really do a scorched earth rebuild with Matthews still around for a little bit (and not having our 1st next year anyway doesn't incentivize it anyway) and I think he'll just too way too difficult to replace over the next two seasons especially at anything close to his cap hit. I'd shop Benoit for sure: Carson Soucy just got dealt for a 3rd and I'd argue Benoit is younger, better, cheaper, and signed through next season. So I don't think a 2nd or at least a 3rd and something else is out of the question there.

Up front McMann and Laughton are the obvious candidates. I really like McMann, and can totally accept his inconsistent play at a $1.35mil AAV. I think it'd become tougher to swallow at a $4-5mil AAV and there hasn't been much indications that he'll ever become less streaky, so I probably sell high. I'd love to bring Laughton back, he's clearly got passion for the team and can see him re-signing here at some sort of hometown discount. But that only makes sense if we stop playing him as a 4th line centre and I don't know if that's happening. Jarnkrok's obviously a guy you'd trade for basically anything. Robertson's in a similar boat to McMann. Obviously he's been a bright spot so far this season but he does undoubtedly go through stretches where he's a non-factor. That's very easy to look past at his current cap hit, I don't know where he ends up next season cap wise. Domi's absolutely played himself off the team. Being outscored 8-23 away from Matthews is such an insane stat, the random big-game moments he can make just don't wash that away. One way or another he can't be here next season.

At goalie we've got 3 guys who will almost definitely be in the NHL next season and it won't all be with the Leafs. I've flipped, flopped, and flipped again about which goalie I'd consider moving the most but someone has to get dealt before next season purely from an asset management perspective.
The Leafs have salary retention slots to. So they might be able to weaponize that if, for example, someone is up against the cap but wants to take on Panarin for a cup run.

If they do this right, they should be able to come away with some good picks and maybe a couple of good prospects. OEL should get you a first and a prospect. Carlo should be able to get you a 2nd and a prospect. McMann is somewhere around there. Jarnkrok is probably a 5th or higher. Domi is whatever we can get for him. I'd see what you can get for Roy, a big shutdown center with a cup ring. It is conceivable that they could come away with a pretty good haul. And if it forces them to evaluate some of the young talent they do have in the system all the better.

I don't understand the Leafs aversion to their own draft picks outside the 1st round. I mean Robertson has had to fight tooth and nail for a spot. Knies is the only guy that was really given a fair shake from the beginning. Has that maybe stalled the development of some of their draft picks, like Niemelä and Hirvonen? Maybe.

Remember when Quinn came in and played Markov, Kaberle and Tremblay? Those were three really young d-men at the time. And he just decided to ride it out. Up front he had Johnson and McCauley as well. And they were all anchored by Mats Sundin (and Sergei Berezin).
 
The Leafs have salary retention slots to. So they might be able to weaponize that if, for example, someone is up against the cap but wants to take on Panarin for a cup run.
Unfortunately the league no longer allows those double retention type deadline deals. It was changed in the new CBA (and one of the rules that went into effect this season) that a player can't be dealt with retention twice in a 75-day period. Otherwise yeah we could have secured some picks acting like a broker between teams. Never really understood why the league took such an issue with that. Like yeah let's make the trade deadline even more boring, great idea.
 
I don't get the Trev hate.

Trev tried to trade Marner. Who knows, maybe we would have been cheering (or booing) Marner on Sunday vs. Colorado with the Stanley Cup banner hanging from the rafters had that trade happened. Did you see Rantanen's game 7 VS Colorado VS Marner's game 7 snot-fueled hissy fit?
Yeah, that would change everything...

with that, nice time to only give players a limited 10-16 teams trade instead of full NMC
 
Unfortunately the league no longer allows those double retention type deadline deals. It was changed in the new CBA (and one of the rules that went into effect this season) that a player can't be dealt with retention twice in a 75-day period. Otherwise yeah we could have secured some picks acting like a broker between teams. Never really understood why the league took such an issue with that. Like yeah let's make the trade deadline even more boring, great idea.
WHAT?!?!?!?!? Well that is stupid. Unless, they trade for Panarin now, for a third rounder, and then later trade the haul that they get for Panarin back to the Rangers for their 3rd rounder back.
 
WHAT?!?!?!?!? Well that is stupid. Unless, they trade for Panarin now, for a third rounder, and then later trade the haul that they get for Panarin back to the Rangers for their 3rd rounder back.
I see, the time to do that was two months ago. Well the Leafs can retain salary on their own players I guess.
 
Looking ahead to next season, free agency has obviously dried up significantly. I'd love to finally get my hands on Nick Schmaltz though, a frequent trade candidate from Arizona/Utah. Speedy, playmaking centre/winger. He'd almost be a perfect fit for 2C: gives Nylander a playmaking centre for like the first time in his career. One of his weaknesses, face-offs, would also be basically completely offset by having JT keep handling most of them on the wing. If you want to play him at wing he'd also be a great fit for Matthews though.

If Schmaltz re-sign though I really don't know what you do, especially up front. I doubt Panarin will be an option for us. I don't really feel comfortable giving Tuch over $10mil. After that it's a bunch of veterans in Malkin, Giroux, Kane, Zuccarello. Really, really slim pickings.
 
As L.K. said in the first Vegas gameday thread. Vegas trades firsts and gets Eichel, Hertl, Hannifin. The Leafs trade firsts and get Laughton and Carlo. I think it's that kind of comparison that is tarnishing the legacy of the past two GM's at this point.
At least you can live with a Fraser Minten + 1st for Hertl & two 3rds. I like Carlo but my god what an overpayment.
 
At least you can live with a Fraser Minten + 1st for Hertl & two 3rds. I like Carlo but my god what an overpayment.
I still don't think the Carlo trade was THAT bad. I mean a top-4 RHD signed at just under $3.5mil on 3 playoffs runs for a 1st round pick feels pretty fine on paper, even if Carlo hasn't quite met expectations. If Grebenkin explodes into a legit contributor it could turn into overpayment territory but I'm still skeptical he'll really get there. Obviously the Laughton-Minten trade is a borderline fire-able offence with how the two players are performing on their respective teams right now, not even accounting for the 1st rounder too.
 
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