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2025-26 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

Joe S. said:
The problem is you're not going to get a quality gm mid season. I want Treliving gone too, but realistically someone internal would fill the position until the off season.
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Well we saw with Nonis that selling off assets isn't super hard. It's the building things up thing that is a challenge. If the mandate is get the best possible deals for any player not named Matthews, Nylander, Tavares or Knies, then that's pretty straightforward.

I'd be contacting Dallas about Domi. They need to try and keep up with the Wild and Avalanche.
 
rdowdall said:
Well we saw with Nonis that selling off assets isn't super hard. It's the building things up thing that is a challenge. If the mandate is get the best possible deals for any player not named Matthews, Nylander, Tavares or Knies, then that's pretty straightforward.

I'd be contacting Dallas about Domi. They need to try and keep up with the Wild and Avalanche.
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Yeah I'm not against that at all. I'm just saying that'll likely be Pridham until they finish begging Zito to come to the leafs... Which he won't.

To be honest, nonis actually did ok with the selloff. Then Fletcher went all old man Simpson on the franchise.
 
Joe S. said:
Just a random thought here but almost every gm the leafs have had since McNamara never got another NHL gm position, other than Fletcher, Lamoriello and Dubas. I didn't double check this though.

And I'm pretty sure this will be Treliving's last NHL gm job.
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Probably a good bet.

I have no idea where the Leafs go from here with regards to leadership. They need a hockey guy as president, that much is obvious, and then let him hire a GM, hopefully someone up and coming who is astute at identifying talent in the draft. Seems like they need a full on reset here. I'm not even sure they can re-tool with this team.
 
Zee said:
Probably a good bet.

I have no idea where the Leafs go from here with regards to leadership. They need a hockey guy as president, that much is obvious, and then let him hire a GM, hopefully someone up and coming who is astute at identifying talent in the draft. Seems like they need a full on reset here. I'm not even sure they can re-tool with this team.
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I don't think there will be a hockey president. I think the idea is that Pelley is wearing three hats, and then the GM's for the Leafs, Raptors, and Toronto FC report into him. I don't agree with it because I think there is enough work there for three people, but Rogers and MLSE don't see it that way. I guess they think that AI will get them the other 2/3rds of the way there.

However, they just needs to start with a competent GM. Treliving hasn't done a great job here in Toronto, and when you combine that with what he has done in Calgary, well it isn't a great looking body of work. Maybe he was just biding his time until he takes over the Boston Pizza empire, and this seemed like a cool thing to do. Who knows?
 
Joe S. said:
Yeah I'm not against that at all. I'm just saying that'll likely be Pridham until they finish begging Zito to come to the leafs... Which he won't.

To be honest, nonis actually did ok with the selloff. Then Fletcher went all old man Simpson on the franchise.
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Nonis was just before Dubas, if I recall correctly, and then they hired Lou Lam because they thought Dubas was going to make mistakes. I'm pretty sure it was Dubas though that did the Kessel deal to Pittsburgh, which wasn't bad all things considered.
 
rdowdall said:
Nonis was just before Dubas, if I recall correctly, and then they hired Lou Lam because they thought Dubas was going to make mistakes. I'm pretty sure it was Dubas though that did the Kessel deal to Pittsburgh, which wasn't bad all things considered.
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I'm pretty sure it was Nonis-Lamoriello-dubas.

Fletcher was after JFJ I think so I got that timeline wrong.
 
Joe S. said:
I'm pretty sure it was Nonis-Lamoriello-dubas.

Fletcher was after JFJ I think so I got that timeline wrong.
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I looked it up, just to see if I was remembering it correctly. Nonis was fired on April 12th, 2015. The Kessel deal was completed on July 1st 2015, and Lou became GM on July 23rd, 2015. Dubas and Mark Hunter were joint GM's of the Maple Leafs from the time that Nonis was fired up until Lou was hired, so they made the Kessel deal.
 
Unfortunately even when we did get a GM with a track record like Burke it blew up in our faces. There needs to be a mandate to not attempt to short circuit drafting and developing and hanging on to your blue chip prospects unless you have a guarantee of a long-term commitment from the player you're bringing back, and he better be better than what you're giving up. Getting Hertl for the Scott Laughton package is a lot different than, well, Scott Laughton.

Also it's driving me crazy that they've been so averse to hockey trades that they've only done it with prospects and futures. Its nuts. Trade guys in season if needed and keep own rentals to a minimum.
 
rdowdall said:
Well we saw with Nonis that selling off assets isn't super hard. It's the building things up thing that is a challenge. If the mandate is get the best possible deals for any player not named Matthews, Nylander, Tavares or Knies, then that's pretty straightforward.

I'd be contacting Dallas about Domi. They need to try and keep up with the Wild and Avalanche.
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It does take a pretty special front office to take a division leading team to last in the span of a year. I don't see why even Pridham should be given the keys if he's been part of this mess from the beginning.
 
I guess the counter argument to a coaching change now is that unless we are getting someone worse to ride out the tank, do we want to risk getting a coaching change bump.

The time to fire Berube was at Christmas. Doing it at the Olympic break when the team could be 14 points back of the playoffs only risks that the team rallies and finishes middling.

The goal moving forward now has to be getting guys who are going to stay beyond this year healthy. If McCabe is hurt...shut him down. Knies should be shut down. Tanev should figure out what is going on. If its' rehab and keep your career or surgery and retire...so be it, sit on the decision but there should be absolutely zero attempts at letting him come back until he's fully healthy. This is a lost season.

The Leafs need their pick to vest over to next year. The 2027 pick is guaranteed to be gone. The 2026 pick is our last hope at a quick impact player for the next 2-3 years (barring unexpected draft steals that this organization has not been able to accomplish).

Keep Bérubé now. Let the team flounder and fire him in the offseason. Maybe move Treliving away if you don't trust him to sell pieces and get a competent GM in the offseason
 
NMC's in contracts is one of the worst things to ever come to the NHL. Players think they're invincible, run the show and really, they do. The message goes in one ear and out the other. Matthews sucks and so does Nylander. I'd love to see this team rid themselves of them for some guys that are real gamers.
 
Bender said:
Also it's driving me crazy that they've been so averse to hockey trades that they've only done it with prospects and futures. Its nuts. Trade guys in season if needed and keep own rentals to a minimum.
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To be fair, to some degree, this is a league-wide issue. Player for player trades that actually have an impact have become more and more rare. If there's a player with any real value getting moved, it's almost always for prospects/young players/futures. The "hockey trade" is a dying breed, in general.
 
rdowdall said:
I don't think there will be a hockey president. I think the idea is that Pelley is wearing three hats, and then the GM's for the Leafs, Raptors, and Toronto FC report into him. I don't agree with it because I think there is enough work there for three people, but Rogers and MLSE don't see it that way. I guess they think that AI will get them the other 2/3rds of the way there.

However, they just needs to start with a competent GM. Treliving hasn't done a great job here in Toronto, and when you combine that with what he has done in Calgary, well it isn't a great looking body of work. Maybe he was just biding his time until he takes over the Boston Pizza empire, and this seemed like a cool thing to do. Who knows?
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Yeah MLSE just doesn't seem to care. Which is weird cause Rogers owns the Jays too, and they have a president. According to Dangle, Ed Rogers is a big baseball fan so he actually cares about what the Jays do, and not much else.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Are you assuming that Jim Nill has secretly already been hired by the Leafs for next season and is sabotaging the Stars for Toronto's benefit?
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I'm hoping that Jim Nill is scared of the Wild and Avalanche, and needing to load up some more offense takes a player that he has found memories of helping the team in 2022-2023.
 
Zee said:
Yeah MLSE just doesn't seem to care. Which is weird cause Rogers owns the Jays too, and they have a president. According to Dangle, Ed Rogers is a big baseball fan so he actually cares about what the Jays do, and not much else.
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So just reading about MLSE, it appears this year Rogers has an option to buy Tanenbaum out of his 25% share of MLSE. At that point they will own all the major sports franchises in Toronto. At that point, maybe they disband MLSE and operate each of the franchises under their own thing, or maybe they roll the Jays under MLSE. Anyways, once Rogers owns them all 100%, I wonder if there is some sort of shakeup.
 
rdowdall said:
I'm hoping that Jim Nill is scared of the Wild and Avalanche, and needing to load up some more offense takes a player that he has found memories of helping the team in 2022-2023.
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I don't think moving Domi should necessarily be impossible, he can still be a productive offensive player in the right conditions. It's just that finding those right conditions is incredibly difficult. So if there is a right fit somewhere out there (and maybe that could be Dallas) the return surely wouldn't be the equivalent of three 2nd rounders. But I like the optimism.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I don't think moving Domi should necessarily be impossible, he can still be a productive offensive player in the right conditions. It's just that finding those right conditions is incredibly difficult. So if there is a right fit somewhere out there (and maybe that could be Dallas) the return surely wouldn't be the equivalent of three 2nd rounders. But I like the optimism.
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I too have a dream....
 
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