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Armchair GM 2019-2020

I wouldn't want to overpay him as a free agent but yeah, depending on the cost he would be a great addition.  Too bad the Leafs really don't have the assets to acquire forwards with their need to add a defenseman.
 
Trade costs approaching the deadline are high this year, for sure. If Florida surges, and the Leafs struggle in the games they have left between now and the deadline, it might be in their interest for Toronto to sell off their pending UFAs and regroup for next season. With the way Andersen has performed, along with the way the rest of the team has struggled over the past month or so, the odds are against them having much playoff success, if they even get there. Adding a few more bullets for off-season moves, and building up the pipeline a little could certainly be the smart move here.

At the very least, doesn't seem like a good year to try to make a big move at the deadline.
 
I don't mind if the big move is one that would also have been made in the off-season (ex: too 4 RD with term), but no rentals, for the love of gawd.

I'm still a seller.
 
Barrie's basically our biggest (only?) trade piece as far as pending UFAs go and I'm just not sure the potential return for him would be worth playing the rest of the season with Holl-Marincin-Liljegren down the right side.

Barrie might not have met expectations but he's still our 1RHD, and we're already down our 1LHD. You're basically giving up on the season. Is that worth a 2nd round pick and an ok prospect?
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Barrie might not have met expectations but he's still our 1RHD, and we're already down our 1LHD. You're basically giving up on the season. Is that worth a 2nd round pick and an ok prospect?

Andy Greene just went for a 2nd round pick. You don't think Barrie returns a fair amount more than that?

I also don't see moving Barrie as giving up on the season. I don't think the team would be significantly worse without him right now. He's not adding much to the offence, and, unless the goaltending turns a corner soon, the change the defensive side of things won't move the needle all that much.
 
bustaheims said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Barrie might not have met expectations but he's still our 1RHD, and we're already down our 1LHD. You're basically giving up on the season. Is that worth a 2nd round pick and an ok prospect?

Andy Greene just went for a 2nd round pick. You don't think Barrie returns a fair amount more than that?

I agree. if you can get a 1st for Barrie you take it and run
 
bustaheims said:
He's not adding much to the offence, and, unless the goaltending turns a corner soon, the change the defensive side of things won't move the needle all that much.

Wow, where do I send my first round pick?
 
bustaheims said:
Andy Greene just went for a 2nd round pick. You don't think Barrie returns a fair amount more than that?

This shouldn't really come as any surprise but I don't think NHL GMs always value players properly. Greene is a "dependable", "safe", "veteran", "shutdown" defenceman. Barrie's probably seen by a lot of GMs as a guy who only puts up points and can't play defence. I think Barrie does probably get more than Greene, I just don't think it'd be a lot more.

bustaheims said:
I also don't see moving Barrie as giving up on the season. I don't think the team would be significantly worse without him right now. He's not adding much to the offence, and, unless the goaltending turns a corner soon, the change the defensive side of things won't move the needle all that much.

He's averaging 25:24 in his last 9 games. That's about 2.5 more minutes a game than Muzzin is getting behind him. The team is leaning on him HARD with Rielly and Ceci out. Yeah the offence isn't there (just 3 assists in those 9 games) but his CF% and xGF% numbers are really good. The team just doesn't have anyone who can replace those 25 minutes, otherwise he wouldn't be playing 25 minutes a night.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Barrie's basically our biggest (only?) trade piece as far as pending UFAs go and I'm just not sure the potential return for him would be worth playing the rest of the season with Holl-Marincin-Liljegren down the right side.

Barrie might not have met expectations but he's still our 1RHD, and we're already down our 1LHD. You're basically giving up on the season. Is that worth a 2nd round pick and an ok prospect?

Johnson isn't tradeable with his injury but we are likely having to move away from one of Kapanen/Johnson in the offseason anyway.  Maybe we get a bigger package for Kapanen as a deadline deal.
 
Nik Bethune said:
bustaheims said:
He's not adding much to the offence, and, unless the goaltending turns a corner soon, the change the defensive side of things won't move the needle all that much.

Wow, where do I send my first round pick?

He's not adding much to the Leafs' offence, because of their talent level. Law of diminishing returns and such. For a team that doesn't have the level of firepower the Leafs have, he's much more likely to have a noticeably positive impact.
 
It's not outside the realm of possibilities that the Leafs will be 4 points out of a playoff spot by the deadline, with Florida having a game in hand. We need to be realistic about what that would mean.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
This shouldn't really come as any surprise but I don't think NHL GMs always value players properly. Greene is a "dependable", "safe", "veteran", "shutdown" defenceman. Barrie's probably seen by a lot of GMs as a guy who only puts up points and can't play defence. I think Barrie does probably get more than Greene, I just don't think it'd be a lot more.

I have nothing to back this up in terms of hard data but I suspect that defensive specialists are the most inflated price wise at the deadline.
 
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