Carlyle Extended/Randy's Revenge
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Palmateer29
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Zee said:
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That's not what I was expecting them to give Randy a two year extension but it's pretty clear that management laying blame to the players without saying it . So who's gone this summer on the roster? I'm curious if they'll dangle our draft pick for a major trade...if so please be Phaneuf or Clarkson!
GhostofPotvin29
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Not sure the point of a team option, but there is one in year 3.
No, no discussions on Gardiner. Hang up the phone.
bustaheims
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freer said:
The increasing reality of the possibility both will be traded is what frightens me most about this whole scenario. Two of the team's best possession players who are both young and have a high ceiling. These are guys that should not be moved in any deal that doesn't bring an elite player back, and, I just don't trust the current brain trust to make that kind of deal. There's a good chance they'll both be moved this summer, and there's a good chance that a few seasons from now, we'll be complaining about those deals the way we complain about so many others fairly obviously bad deals that turned out extremely poorly for the Leafs.
Highlander
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Carlyle doesnt want possession so get rid of them, Randy likes to see as much rubber hit our net as possible, but only from the periphery you understand.
I hope the Leafs really don't trade Kadri or Gardiner young talented prospects, both have huge potential upside.
Guess I will as a long suffering Loaf fan ride the bus as long as it takes?waited almost 50 years for another cup but time is starting to run out. dammit
I hope the Leafs really don't trade Kadri or Gardiner young talented prospects, both have huge potential upside.
Guess I will as a long suffering Loaf fan ride the bus as long as it takes?waited almost 50 years for another cup but time is starting to run out. dammit
Optimus Reimer
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Zee said:
Definitely. For the amount of money Kadri makes he should have at least had 50 goals. And Gardiner, totally useless defenseman. All he does is try go up ice with the puck to help create some offense. It is both their fault the entire team had a hard time moving from the defensive zone to the offensive zone. It is both their fault the goalies gave up 40+shots so yes, get rid of those two bums. And get rid of anyone who cannot play under Carlyle's amazing system!
Wendel's Fist said:
http://www.freep.com/article/20140430/SPORTS05/304300049/detroit-red-wings-mike-babcock
"Babcock, who turned 51 on Tuesday, said it was ?no priority whatsoever? to get a new deal, adding ?I doubt it? when asked if he?d talk extension. "
Babcock doesn't want to talk about an extension right now. Garry Galley was on the Team 1200 and speculated that this might cause a wrinkle because Holland likes to have stability.
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bustaheims said:
This is more like cutting all the life boats loose and signing the iceberg to a contract extension.
bakeapples
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nutman said:
Carlyle never had the team to lose.
Wrong coach from day 1 when Burke hired him.
mr grieves
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If this means Davey can be canned when Carlyle is, I guess that's a good thing.
But, given the dumb presser comments, I can't help but think this is just an extension of the stupidity of last off season, and it anticipates more stupidity this off season, more poor asset management, more mediocrities signed to dumb contracts. Curious, but not optimistic, to see what the roster moves are.
I work with enough stupid organizations in real life to make a hobby of it.
But, given the dumb presser comments, I can't help but think this is just an extension of the stupidity of last off season, and it anticipates more stupidity this off season, more poor asset management, more mediocrities signed to dumb contracts. Curious, but not optimistic, to see what the roster moves are.
I work with enough stupid organizations in real life to make a hobby of it.
mr grieves
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2badknees said:
In the really big picture, sketched in this thread by cw and Nik, they aren't. The Leafs don't have contending talent. But in terms of making the playoffs, I think Carlyle and the bottom six's complete uselessness** (more personnel than performance) were the difference this year. They got career years from their starting goaltender and top line, until the end when -- somehow -- they looked "gassed."
** see http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2014/05/06/maple-leafs-bottom-six-forwards/
GhostofPotvin29
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2badknees said:
People don't come to the rink to see a coach.
bustaheims
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2badknees said:
In general, they're not. You really only notice a coach when they're either really good (so, guys like Bowman, Babcock, etc), they're particularly outspoken (Tortorella) or, in the case of Carlyle and the Leafs, they're a really bad fit/behind the bench of a team that is historically bad in an area that can, at least in part, be attributed to the strategy/system.
bustaheims said:
I might add that it is fairly hard to measure how good a coach is. Each coach has a different team so it is tough to determine how much is the coach and how much the players.
Of course, when there are some massive negative trend lines in key areas, culminating in historically bad totals, one can start to conjecture the coach might have something to do with it.
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