Carlyle fired

[bustaheims]

Listening just now to Nonis' remarks (which I assume are mouthpiecing Shanahan) on no NMCs, I wouldn't be surprised to see some moves before then.

Maybe, but I don't expect it. Trading players with significant terms and cap is hard to do mid-season and the return is usually better in the summer. Unless guys are being moved purely for picks and prospects, I don't expect much of significance to happen.

This, please.

While I wouldn't be against that, I know better than to feel like it has any real chance of happening. At the very least, the front office is going to take some time to see how things go with the new coaching setup. If things go poorly, the pending UFAs will be shopped at the deadline for sure, but, the guys with term left . . . they have too many years left on those deals. Deadline deals rarely include players with more than one season remaining on their contracts - and even more rarely when those contracts have a cap hit of $4M+.

 

[Joe S.]

Down Goes Brown ‏@DownGoesBrown 1h
Dion Phaneuf bursts into Carlyle's empty office. "Coach, great news, we all *finally* figured out how to play your system! Uh... coach?"

Awesome

 

[ZBBM]

Listening just now to Nonis' remarks (which I assume are mouthpiecing Shanahan) on no NMCs, I wouldn't be surprised to see some moves before then.

Maybe, but I don't expect it. Trading players with significant terms and cap is hard to do mid-season and the return is usually better in the summer. Unless guys are being moved purely for picks and prospects, I don't expect much of significance to happen.

This, please.

While I wouldn't be against that, I know better than to feel like it has any real chance of happening. At the very least, the front office is going to take some time to see how things go with the new coaching setup. If things go poorly, the pending UFAs will be shopped at the deadline for sure, but, the guys with term left . . . they have too many years left on those deals. Deadline deals rarely include players with more than one season remaining on their contracts - and even more rarely when those contracts have a cap hit of $4M+.

Shanahan will blow through this wall of conventional wisdom.  I just know he will.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I wonder if they at least name another assistant to the coaching staff. A bit unusual to have just 2 behind the bench.

 

[Joe S.]

I wonder if they at least name another assistant to the coaching staff. A bit unusual to have just 2 behind the bench.

Eakins is available.

 

[skrackle]

Firing Carlyle is a start. It had to happen. Maybe he'd regain his touch with a different type of team, but it just wasn't happening with the Leafs.

Nonis has got to be the next to go. The Leafs need to start doing things differently. There are some possible signs of that happening with the changes Shanahan has made in the front office, but I don't want to see Nonis in charge of re-shaping the Leafs roster. He's not as bad a GM as JFJ was, but I don't think he's got the vision to transform the Leafs into a contender.

 

[itsgametime]

yea but is Clarkson still here?

 

[bustaheims]

https://twitter.com/SkinnyPPPhish/status/552515003639930880

The Toronto Maple Leafs from 2008 (Wilson hired) thru today (Carlyle fired) in one chart.

That's quite the ski slope.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

That's quite the ski slope.

That cumulative number for Carlyle's tenure is insane.

 

[L K]

I wonder if they at least name another assistant to the coaching staff. A bit unusual to have just 2 behind the bench.

Eakins is available.

That would be my guess assuming he wants another job instead of sitting at home collecting an Edmonton pay check.  I'm somewhat surprised that there aren't more head coaches who take assistant roles with teams when they await new coaching opportunities.

 

[Joe S.]

Carlyle did seem to laugh in the face of analytics - and he doesn't seem to be alone - the popular stance in the media seems to be to mock it, and alot of the 'old school' NHL folks seem to think it has no relevance - you can hear it when they're interviewed.

Hopefully Nonis is smarter than this - and being under 50 I'm assuming he's not as curmudgeon-y as some of the elder guard of the NHL.

I'm not trying to be an age-ist - but there does seem to be a resistance to forward thinking among some of the veteran management folks in the NHL. 

 

[Joe S.]

I wonder if they at least name another assistant to the coaching staff. A bit unusual to have just 2 behind the bench.

Eakins is available.

That would be my guess assuming he wants another job instead of sitting at home collecting an Edmonton pay check.  I'm somewhat surprised that there aren't more head coaches who take assistant roles with teams when they await new coaching opportunities.

I'm assuming he's enjoying the free money right now - I think most people would.

 

[Frank E]

Carlyle did seem to laugh in the face of analytics - and he doesn't seem to be alone - the popular stance in the media seems to be to mock it, and alot of the 'old school' NHL folks seem to think it has no relevance - you can hear it when they're interviewed.

Hopefully Nonis is smarter than this - and being under 50 I'm assuming he's not as curmudgeon-y as some of the elder guard of the NHL.

I'm not trying to be an age-ist - but there does seem to be a resistance to forward thinking among some of the veteran management folks in the NHL.

I think there's more of a causation argument from those that don't pay much attention to it.

 

[Bender]

Wilson on Leafs Lunch: David William Naylor ‏@TSNDaveNaylor  12m12 minutes ago

"Phil's problem is he's two weeks on two weeks off ...you can't rely on Phil ... That's the nature of the beast." -Ron Wilson on #Leafslunch

What a prick

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Wilson just basically took out a verbal machine gun, sat back, and sprayed.

 

[bustaheims]

Wilson on Leafs Lunch: David William Naylor ‏@TSNDaveNaylor  12m12 minutes ago

"Phil's problem is he's two weeks on two weeks off ...you can't rely on Phil ... That's the nature of the beast." -Ron Wilson on #Leafslunch

What a prick

Some context is helpful. It's really not as bad as that snipe quote makes it seem:

Hope_Smoke: Wilson "I think you can win with Kessel. He shows obvious signs of brilliance throughout the year"

Hope_Smoke: Wilson "Phil's problem & I think it's pretty much how Phil's been his whole career is two weeks on & two weeks off"

Hope_Smoke: Wilson "you can't rely on Phil. It's just the way he is. Comes & goes & he gets emotional. It effects his game & relationship with players"

Hope_Smoke: Wilson "I kind of think, the proof is in the pudding. Phil's very emotional. When things are going great everyone loves playing with him..."

Hope_Smoke: Wilson "... & when he isn't playing great he's a hard guy to get on board on your side."

Hope_Smoke: Wilson "I guess Phil's been in this funk for a couple of weeks, so he'll snap out of it soon & the Leafs will be better for it"

I'd say that's probably a pretty fair assessment.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm assuming he's enjoying the free money right now - I think most people would.

It'd also be tougher to jump on a vacant head coaching opportunity mid-season if you're stuck being an assistant somewhere. I doubt teams would give him the opportunity to just leave whenever he wanted.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Looks like it would be a challenging downhill ski resort.

The uptick around the 210 game mark is impressive at least

 

[Joe S.]

Wilson on Leafs Lunch: David William Naylor ‏@TSNDaveNaylor  12m12 minutes ago

"Phil's problem is he's two weeks on two weeks off ...you can't rely on Phil ... That's the nature of the beast." -Ron Wilson on #Leafslunch

What a prick

Is he that wrong though?

He reminds me of Mogilny that way - when he wants to dominate you can't stop him, otherwise, he's useless.

 

[bustaheims]

I think there's more of a causation argument from those that don't pay much attention to it.

There also seems to be a lot of misunderstanding from the old guard about just what these stats tell you. People who are supporters of them talk about their predictive value (which, over the long-run, is true), while detractors turn that around and point to hot or cold streaks and say "the stats didn't predict that," which is also true, but not at all what the people who use them mean by "predictive value."