Coaching and management changes around the league

[Frank E]

Did I consult with those who would be most directly impacted by this seemingly rash decision?

No, why would I do that? Never even crossed my mind.

Yeah, I think Lou is just protecting everyone but himself on this...that's a GM move. 

Obviously there's more to this than just not making the playoffs, but that's not for public consumption.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Trotz is from Winnipeg.  I wonder if there is a fit there trying to salvage what is left of that team.

Watching Trotz coach 3 of the worst defensive (big name) forwards in the league in Scheifele, Wheeler, and Connor would be very fun(ny).

 

[L K]

Did I consult with those who would be most directly impacted by this seemingly rash decision?

No, why would I do that? Never even crossed my mind.

Yeah, I think Lou is just protecting everyone but himself on this...that's a GM move. 

Obviously there's more to this than just not making the playoffs, but that's not for public consumption.

I mean he has a history of firing coaches though.

Lamoriello took over the Devils in April 1987 and left May 4, 2015

Doug Carpenter, Jim Shoenfield, John Cunnif, Tom McVie, Herb Brooks, Jacques Lemaire, Robbie Ftorek, Larry Robinson, Kevin Constantine, Pat Burns, Larry Robinson, Lou Lamoriello, Claude Julien, Lou Lamoriello, Brent Sutter, Jacques Lemaire, John Maclean, Jacques Lemaire, Pete Deboer, Adam Oates/Scott Stevens

19 coaching changes over 28 years.  In an era where the team made the playoffs 21 times in 28 years.  Won the cup 3 times and made the Cup finals a further 2 times they had 20.5 coaches and 19 coaching changes.

Over that same time the Leafs (made the Conference finals 4 times) had 12 coaches.

 

[bustaheims]

Did I consult with those who would be most directly impacted by this seemingly rash decision?

No, why would I do that? Never even crossed my mind.

Yeah, I think Lou is just protecting everyone but himself on this...that's a GM move. 

Obviously there's more to this than just not making the playoffs, but that's not for public consumption.

Easy to still protect people without coming across like this was a snap decision made entirely on his own. Saying ?after having talked to the players, coaching staff, etc., I?ve decided this is the best path forward? still puts it on him without it looking like he acted rashly and unilaterally. That?s acting like a GM.

 

[Frank E]

Did I consult with those who would be most directly impacted by this seemingly rash decision?

No, why would I do that? Never even crossed my mind.

Yeah, I think Lou is just protecting everyone but himself on this...that's a GM move. 

Obviously there's more to this than just not making the playoffs, but that's not for public consumption.

Easy to still protect people without coming across like this was a snap decision made entirely on his own. Saying ?after having talked to the players, coaching staff, etc., I?ve decided this is the best path forward? still puts it on him without it looking like he acted rashly and unilaterally. That?s acting like a GM.

I don't think a GM should involve the players in any announcement of a coaching change.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1315750867048583173
because he didn't have enough money
https://twitter.com/gogreen1010/status/1315806858159022081

 

[bustaheims]

I don't think a GM should involve the players in any announcement of a coaching change.

You don?t think consulting those that worked most closely with someone is something you should do before making a decision about that person?s future? That feels like really questionable management. I?m not saying let the players decide, but, without consulting them, you have no idea what?s really going on with the coach.

 

[Bullfrog]

I don't think a GM should involve the players in any announcement of a coaching change.

You don?t think consulting those that worked most closely with someone is something you should do before making a decision about that person?s future? That feels like really questionable management. I?m not saying let the players decide, but, without consulting them, you have no idea what?s really going on with the coach.

No, he's saying to not involve/mention players in the announcement of the coaching change.

 

[bustaheims]

I don't think a GM should involve the players in any announcement of a coaching change.

You don?t think consulting those that worked most closely with someone is something you should do before making a decision about that person?s future? That feels like really questionable management. I?m not saying let the players decide, but, without consulting them, you have no idea what?s really going on with the coach.

No, he's saying to not involve/mention players in the announcement of the coaching change.

My bad. Misread the post. Regardless, saying you consulted the players isn?t really involving them. It?s something GMs say and do all the time when coaches are fired. Pretty standard stuff, really.

 

[Frank E]

I don't think a GM should involve the players in any announcement of a coaching change.

You don?t think consulting those that worked most closely with someone is something you should do before making a decision about that person?s future? That feels like really questionable management. I?m not saying let the players decide, but, without consulting them, you have no idea what?s really going on with the coach.

No, he's saying to not involve/mention players in the announcement of the coaching change.

My bad. Misread the post. Regardless, saying you consulted the players isn?t really involving them. It?s something GMs say and do all the time when coaches are fired. Pretty standard stuff, really.

Thanks for clarifying that, Frog.  I didn't catch busta's response.

I still disagree, busta...I think it should be mostly the same blah blah "new voice" "fresh outlook" "too stale" "new ideas" "we wish him well in his future endeavours, except when he's playing against us" horse feathers.

I don't think you should mention that they players had any direct influence.  I can see Lou saying that he expected more out of this lineup, and that expects a better record in the future, but suggesting that he spoke with players and that was a factor, and the result is a fired coach just doesn't sound right in my book.

 

[bustaheims]

I don't think you should mention that they players had any direct influence.  I can see Lou saying that he expected more out of this lineup, and that expects a better record in the future, but suggesting that he spoke with players and that was a factor, and the result is a fired coach just doesn't sound right in my book.

Then you have an issue with multiple GMs across all sports. Consulting those most deeply impacted to get their opinion feels like pretty standard practice. Players are always going to be a factor in a coach getting fired. That?s just the reality - their successes and failures are so deeply intertwined that they have the biggest influence regardless. Leaving them out makes it feel like a decision has been made without getting the full picture. A nothing acknowledgment of them and this isn?t even a discussion.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/NYIslanders/status/1526224076741779461

Not sure how firing Trotz because the team needed a new voice and then replacing him with his right-hand man for the past decade makes much sense but here we are.

 

[Zee]

https://twitter.com/NYIslanders/status/1526224076741779461

Not sure how firing Trotz because the team needed a new voice and then replacing him with his right-hand man for the past decade makes much sense but here we are.

This is Trotz's butler.  He's basically followed Trotz from Nashville, Washington to NYI.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1526231180839895042
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1526231281608052743
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1526231272724602882

 

[bustaheims]

Welcome to Las Vegas, Barry Trotz?

 

[Frank E]

Welcome to Las Vegas, Barry Trotz?

Yeah...but Q and Maurice are out there too.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Welcome to Las Vegas, Barry Trotz?

Trotz will certainly have his pick of teams, assuming he wants to coach next season, but yeah that definitely seems like the best one for him.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Welcome to Las Vegas, Barry Trotz?

Yeah...but Q and Maurice are out there too.

Don't see anyone grabbing Maurice. The Jets under performed for the talent they have. Q is interesting but not sure a team takes a chance on him either.

 

[Zee]

Trotz to Vegas makes sense, they're a team that's supposed to contend.  I don't see Quenneville going there given the baggage he comes with vis a vis the whole Chicago situation, but then again Vegas never does anything normally so you never know.

 

[herman]

Minor coaching carousel notes:
Lou appointed Trotz' right hand man Lane Lambert to the head coaching position
https://theathletic.com/3315374/2022/05/17/new-york-islanders-lane-lambert-barry-trotz/

?When you say ?a new voice,? there?s a tremendous difference between an assistant coach and a head coach,? he explained Monday afternoon. ?It?s bigger than I think anyone can sometimes understand. That new voice is here with Lane. Certainly, Lane has different thoughts on different things. Everybody does.

?Maybe it wasn?t the right phrase that I should have used, but it is a new voice in the position that Lane is now in. I would say a big new voice in that, because we?re talking about two totally different personalities with reference to Barry and Lane.?

Lane had been working as assistant to Barry Trotz since Nashville through Washington, and onto the Island.

Lots of L's with new duo.

Nashville re-upped John Hynes

Rick Bowness stepped down from coaching Dallas