Coaching Carousel

[L K]

I buy that confusion 100%.

GM's on compensation for their underlings: Well, that only seems right. We invest a lot in these guys and deserve compensation if they go to help our competition.

GM's on compensation for fired GM's and coaches: Wait a second, that might affect MY career. Hold the phone!

And I think that's where I see some trouble with this.  On that note, where do coaches actually sit in the NHL CBA/union/ownership spectrum.  I have never really been all that clear on it but it just seems odd to me that coaches themselves wouldn't have a say in that discussion.

 

[Kin]

I buy that confusion 100%.

GM's on compensation for their underlings: Well, that only seems right. We invest a lot in these guys and deserve compensation if they go to help our competition.

GM's on compensation for fired GM's and coaches: Wait a second, that might affect MY career. Hold the phone!

And I think that's where I see some trouble with this.  On that note, where do coaches actually sit in the NHL CBA/union/ownership spectrum.  I have never really been all that clear on it but it just seems odd to me that coaches themselves wouldn't have a say in that discussion.

They're management. They're not fundamentally different from a GM in that respect.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'll be curious to see if this actually restricts the movement of guys in assistant GM/coach positions. Sure, teams won't have any problem paying a 3rd rounder to get a guy with a resume of Chiarelli/McLellan/Babcock/Bylsma, but what about the up-and-comers that this rule was basically designed for? I wonder if guys like Futa/Brisebois/Gorton might actually have a more difficult time now finding opportunities outside of the teams they're currently in because of this.

 

[Kin]

I'll be curious to see if this actually restricts the movement of guys in assistant GM/coach positions. Sure, teams won't have any problem paying a 3rd rounder to get a guy with a resume of Chiarelli/McLellan/Babcock/Bylsma, but what about the up-and-comers that this rule was basically designed for? I wonder if guys like Futa/Brisebois/Gorton might actually have a more difficult time now finding opportunities outside of the teams they're currently in because of this.

But how realistic is that? I mean they'll still be able to go on interviews without compensation so do you really think there's going to be a lot of cases where a team says "You know, this Mike Futa guy is real bright, a real up and comer and the kind of guy who is my first choice to pay millions of dollars to run my million dollar business...but that third round pick, man, who's number 2 on the list?"

I mean it might restrict the movement of a guy like Futa horizontally into a different AGM spot or, you know, the kind of bogus GM job we might have in Toronto but...honestly, you shouldn't be able to poach people like that if they're under contract.

 

[Kin]

Pursuant to above there are three third round picks in this year's draft who were traded straight up for players. Those players are:

Eric Brewer, traded from Tampa because he was having trouble cracking their lineup.
Tye McGinn, traded to San Jose after an ok AHL year and not really doing anything for Philly
Devan Dubnyk, traded to Minnesota from Arizona after 19 ok games and on what people assumed was one of the last stops of his career

So the idea that third round pick is going to really ever be a major impediment in a hiring decision...I don't see it.