Coronavirus

[bustaheims]

And I'm sorry, the uptick in cases has nothing to do with the retail stores opening Tuesday. Whether or not Ontario was ready is another discussion, but cases going up by 75 people isn't because stores opened 3 days ago.

That's true - we won't have those numbers for a couple weeks. However, Home Depot, Lowe's, Canadian Tire, etc. opened for shoppers right around two weeks ago, and the people testing positive now would have been infected right around then. Could be correlation without causation, but, it's not a good look.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

And I'm sorry, the uptick in cases has nothing to do with the retail stores opening Tuesday. Whether or not Ontario was ready is another discussion, but cases going up by 75 people isn't because stores opened 3 days ago.

That's true - we won't have those numbers for a couple weeks. However, Home Depot, Lowe's, Canadian Tire, etc. opened for shoppers right around two weeks ago, and the people testing positive now would have been infected right around then. Could be correlation without causation, but, it's not a good look.

I think the biggest issue is that they don't know where the infections are coming from now. The health units need to do a better job of tracing where they are actually coming from? It's a little mind boggling.
Is it a factor of people not following the rules? Is it the fact that garden centres opened on Mother's Day? Is it a little bit of everything and everyone dropping the ball?

In the past 2 weeks, I have seen numerous backyard parties, packs of children riding around on bikes, and countless groups walking together for exercise.

We have seen a sharp decline in Northern Ontario in both the Sudbury Health District and the Timmins Health District. there's only 8 active cases in these two areas. In the Sudbury area, there has not been a case reported outside of a long-term care home since April 28th. There's been around 10 cases found in Long-Term care homes since that date. It has certainly flattened up here. Though, testing has never been very substantial up here out of fear of overrunning the hospitals. It would be nice if they were able to open up cities though I'm not sure how we could safely do that.

 

[Kin]

Yesterday's tests aren't today's results.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that but everyone I've known in Toronto who's been tested has gotten results back in 24 hours.

 

[WAYNEINIONA]

I live in the Elgin\St Thomas region with a population just short of 100,000. We currently have 2 active cases of Covid-19, one in the county and one in the city. There has not been an admission to the hospital since April 28th. We have only had 33 cases total and 4 deaths. Closing things down again will be a tough pill to swallow.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I live in the Elgin\St Thomas region with a population just short of 100,000. We currently have 2 active cases of Covid-19, one in the county and one in the city. There has not been an admission to the hospital since April 28th. We have only had 33 cases total and 4 deaths. Closing things down again will be a tough pill to swallow.

I feel like things would have to get REALLY bad for the government to roll back into a lock down. Or they would try to roll back in only the areas that are seeing an outbreak again. This will of course impact how soon we enter into stage 2 of the re-opening though.

 

[Kin]

People should keep in mind that part of the reasons why smaller towns/cities haven't been affected as badly is because there's been such a concerted effort to reduce even in-province travel. The more relaxed things get, the more likely people are to go to their cottages and such, the more likely things will spread outside of the problem areas.

As a lot of people smarter than me have said, if strict containment measures work then you'll get people questioning if they were necessary because they won't see the damage that was avoided.

 

[Highlander]

And I'm sorry, the uptick in cases has nothing to do with the retail stores opening Tuesday. Whether or not Ontario was ready is another discussion, but cases going up by 75 people isn't because stores opened 3 days ago.

That's true - we won't have those numbers for a couple weeks. However, Home Depot, Lowe's, Canadian Tire, etc. opened for shoppers right around two weeks ago, and the people testing positive now would have been infected right around then. Could be correlation without causation, but, it's not a good look.

All stores mentioned have never been closed in BC or the Interior to be specific, yet cases remain very low, perhaps this is because we never had a high curve to begin with. 

 

[Bender]

Have there been anti-lockdown protests in BC?

Yes Herman, I live in Vernon and there was a protest on Saturday, there have been protests around the province as well.  There are 4 reported cases of Covid in the entire Okanagan valley, it is next to non existent here.  People for the most part are practising social distancing, but most are not wearing masks (which pisses me off).  I wear masks in public as a sign of respect to others.  What we have to realize as things open up is we still have to be vigilant in our approach to limit a huge second wave. The last thing any of us wants is to go into lock down again.
They opened bars & restaurants yesterday, was a pleasure to have a pint out for a change.  The resto had half the tables it normally does and I thought did a very good job of social distancing.

Nik made a good point, about population and incidents.  I really think its about population density.  Outside of Vancouver and suburbs the rest of the province has smaller cities of around 40K, where in Ontario I would think that 90% of the population live in the Toronto and the Golden Horseshoe (and Ottawa).

I was doing rudimentary digging and 12million people live in Southern ON alone. If we couldn't stamp it out early and test, trace, isolate quickly then it makes sense that it could and would get quickly out of hand due to exponential growth. You can deal with it with density but you have to clamp down fast and hard like SK but we are a far cry from them.

 

[Bender]

Not sure how much non-local attention this received, but there's a retirement home here in Hamilton that got hit hard by Covid. All 63 residents tested positive, as well as 20 staff members. They had to evacuate the entire building this past Friday. And then as if this story couldn't get any worse one resident was actually left and forgotten about in the building until the following night.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/rosslyn-retirement-authority-inection-neglect-1.5576560

What the hell is going on? How does the province not have a handle on this by now?

 

[Bender]

I live in the Elgin\St Thomas region with a population just short of 100,000. We currently have 2 active cases of Covid-19, one in the county and one in the city. There has not been an admission to the hospital since April 28th. We have only had 33 cases total and 4 deaths. Closing things down again will be a tough pill to swallow.

I feel like things would have to get REALLY bad for the government to roll back into a lock down. Or they would try to roll back in only the areas that are seeing an outbreak again. This will of course impact how soon we enter into stage 2 of the re-opening though.

There are epis calling for rolling lockdown. I.e. if Kingston for example sees no cases maybe it shouldn't be locked down? Although does that stop Toronto crazies from driving to Kingston and infecting people?

 

[Bender]

People should keep in mind that part of the reasons why smaller towns/cities haven't been affected as badly is because there's been such a concerted effort to reduce even in-province travel. The more relaxed things get, the more likely people are to go to their cottages and such, the more likely things will spread outside of the problem areas.

As a lot of people smarter than me have said, if strict containment measures work then you'll get people questioning if they were necessary because they won't see the damage that was avoided.

Public Health's deliverable is the non-occurance of events!

 

[Bender]

And I'm sorry, the uptick in cases has nothing to do with the retail stores opening Tuesday. Whether or not Ontario was ready is another discussion, but cases going up by 75 people isn't because stores opened 3 days ago.

That's true - we won't have those numbers for a couple weeks. However, Home Depot, Lowe's, Canadian Tire, etc. opened for shoppers right around two weeks ago, and the people testing positive now would have been infected right around then. Could be correlation without causation, but, it's not a good look.

All stores mentioned have never been closed in BC or the Interior to be specific, yet cases remain very low, perhaps this is because we never had a high curve to begin with.

I think cases in Washington were enough for BC Public Health to act swiftly to nip in the bud. Exponential growth shows once it gets out of hand it gets out of hand quickly. Now we have an R0 of 1.2 in Ontario so things aren't getting any better and our CMOH refuses to acknowledge increased R0 and instead said "Let's wait to see if this is a blip." How much time do we have to wait and see when epis are showing that we are no longer suppressing the virus as we were 2 weeks ago?

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Although does that stop Toronto crazies from driving to Kingston and infecting people?

That's the problem I see if certain cities opened up and others didn't. I mean, I'd love to see hockey arenas open here in Sudbury so we can get back on the ice but I also know that people would flock to the area to also get back on the ice.

 

[Bender]

This is bad...

 

[louisstamos]

Someone on Twitter referred to Trinity-Bellwoods Park as the Florida of Toronto, and yup...

 

[Guilt Trip]

This is bad...

Can't fix stupid.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Nonsense. They're clearly all from the same family.

I went golfing yesterday. I was a bit apprehensive, but I was impressed with all the precautions.

 

[Highlander]

This is bad...

Can't fix stupid.

Its Ok, they all have enough disinfectants to drink when they get home; extra Bleach, Drano, etc.  Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

This is bad...

Which brings us back to the past couple posts....My business, and other businesses in Northern Ontario will continue to struggle because of a$$hole decisions in Toronto.

 

[Kin]

I'm all for calling these people idiots, because they are, but I think this highlights a problem we're seeing in a lot of places. You can't partially open stuff without enforcement. You can't say "Beaches are open but only at 33% of regular capacity" without figuring out who gets to go and who doesn't. Because otherwise everyone is going to think they get to go to the beach that day.

And people can blame Toronto all they want but a lack of enforcement of guidelines has been plaguing the provincial response since the beginning.