Coronavirus

[Kin]

Anyone worried the inaugural could turn into a superspreading event?

Call me a cynic but I have a hunch most people there have gotten the vaccine.

 

[L K]

An outdoor event.  Everyone wearing masks.  While not perfect social distancing, still a decent amount of space between people...and yeah, a large percentage of that group have likely been immunized.  I doubt we are going to see many cases coming from that event.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

From what I've seen mask usage seemed very high.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1352365900004024321

I've been wondering when we were going to start hearing more about this.

 

[Kin]

It was a pretty fair bit of hubris to have not cancelled them last year before we had any idea about when a vaccine would be ready. Now that we know that most people probably won't be vaccinated by the time they roll around putting them on would be in pretty poor taste.

 

[L K]

Just got my cancellation email regarding the second vaccine dose.  They are pushing the 2nd dose out now to at least 42 days after the first shot.

Our priority really should be on getting our LTC homes finished up and the vaccine shortage is really going to affect rollout for several weeks. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

B.C. just laid out their vaccine schedule:

https://twitter.com/richardzussman/status/1352685990507290624
https://twitter.com/richardzussman/status/1352686080294719489

 

[Kin]

https://twitter.com/CheriDiNovo/status/1353710082492669963

How poorly this province has done at handling this pandemic really does beggar belief.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/WicMar/status/1353678641796800513
Here's how it could be done instead

 

[OldTimeHockey]

https://twitter.com/WicMar/status/1353678641796800513
Here's how it could be done instead

The quarantine/isolation part of this whole process is probably the most confusing.
We had a worker in the garage test positive. He was off work for 7 days and allowed to return. We had a woman in the office with a cough who tested negative, who had to take 14 days off work.

 

[herman]

The quarantine/isolation part of this whole process is probably the most confusing.
We had a worker in the garage test positive. He was off work for 7 days and allowed to return. We had a woman in the office with a cough who tested negative, who had to take 14 days off work.

Pretty sure that's a question for your JHSC or HR dept as to what the iso period is supposed to be (didn't they send out a Covid policy?).

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/ccpa/status/1354052602401599490
https://twitter.com/ipoliticsca/status/1354080721896398848

 

[L K]

I still don't like Andrea Horwath but how different would the province be run with a party with a social conscience.  Doug Ford is every bit the incompetent moron I expected him to be.

 

[Kin]

You'd almost like to think it was incompetence rather than a general indifference to people dying so long as it keeps the economy chugging along.

 

[bustaheims]

I still don't like Andrea Horwath but how different would the province be run with a party with a social conscience.  Doug Ford is every bit the incompetent moron I expected him to be.

At the very least, I imagine we'd have more consistent and less confusing/contradictory messaging and restrictions, and we definitely would not be sitting on piles of unspent emergency funds. I'd be concerned an NDP government would swing too far the other way in terms of spending, and deplete the emergency fund too quickly, but, overall, I think the response would be better. Ford said and did a lot of the right things at the beginning of the pandemic, but he couldn't keep up that momentum and has reverted to his true self. He still says a number of the right things - for instance, he hasn't been shy about calling out people who are recklessly disregarding health and safety measures - but some of his actions/priorities/policies have betrayed him/contributed to the disregard/confusion around those measures.

 

[Kin]

I still don't like Andrea Horwath but how different would the province be run with a party with a social conscience.  Doug Ford is every bit the incompetent moron I expected him to be.

At the very least, I imagine we'd have more consistent and less confusing/contradictory messaging and restrictions, and we definitely would not be sitting on piles of unspent emergency funds. I'd be concerned an NDP government would swing too far the other way in terms of spending, and deplete the emergency fund too quickly, but, overall, I think the response would be better. Ford said and did a lot of the right things at the beginning of the pandemic, but he couldn't keep up that momentum and has reverted to his true self. He still says a number of the right things - for instance, he hasn't been shy about calling out people who are recklessly disregarding health and safety measures - but some of his actions/priorities/policies have betrayed him/contributed to the disregard/confusion around those measures.

I mean, I know you're not defending him or anything but it feels like even at the best of times his "saying" the right thing has been combined with a complete and total lack of enforcement or meaningful policy to actually achieve necessary objectives. Like, I'm not sure there really is a lot of value in calling people who go to the Dominican Republic stupid if you're not enforcing some sort of travel ban or post travel quarantine.

 

[bustaheims]

I mean, I know you're not defending him or anything but it feels like even at the best of times his "saying" the right thing has been combined with a complete and total lack of enforcement or meaningful policy to actually achieve necessary objectives. Like, I'm not sure there really is a lot of value in calling people who go to the Dominican Republic stupid if you're not enforcing some sort of travel ban or post travel quarantine.

Agreed. It's only part of the equation, and it's definitely a smaller part. It's just something his defenders will point to, and, quite frankly, it's the only part of managing the pandemic he's managed to be somewhat consistent about. It's nowhere near enough, obviously - and, in fact, it really just exposes his hypocrisy. If can recognize these behaviours are foolish, why can't he enact or enforce measures to prevent them?

 

[OldTimeHockey]

The quarantine/isolation part of this whole process is probably the most confusing.
We had a worker in the garage test positive. He was off work for 7 days and allowed to return. We had a woman in the office with a cough who tested negative, who had to take 14 days off work.

Pretty sure that's a question for your JHSC or HR dept as to what the iso period is supposed to be (didn't they send out a Covid policy?).

Public Health Unit made the decision that one was good and the other wasn't.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I still don't like Andrea Horwath but how different would the province be run with a party with a social conscience.  Doug Ford is every bit the incompetent moron I expected him to be.

At the very least, I imagine we'd have more consistent and less confusing/contradictory messaging and restrictions, and we definitely would not be sitting on piles of unspent emergency funds. I'd be concerned an NDP government would swing too far the other way in terms of spending, and deplete the emergency fund too quickly, but, overall, I think the response would be better. Ford said and did a lot of the right things at the beginning of the pandemic, but he couldn't keep up that momentum and has reverted to his true self. He still says a number of the right things - for instance, he hasn't been shy about calling out people who are recklessly disregarding health and safety measures - but some of his actions/priorities/policies have betrayed him/contributed to the disregard/confusion around those measures.

It's all a political game. It has been from the start for all of them. From the PM, to the premiers. Nobody has been firm on anything.

 

[Kin]

I mean, I know you're not defending him or anything but it feels like even at the best of times his "saying" the right thing has been combined with a complete and total lack of enforcement or meaningful policy to actually achieve necessary objectives. Like, I'm not sure there really is a lot of value in calling people who go to the Dominican Republic stupid if you're not enforcing some sort of travel ban or post travel quarantine.

Agreed. It's only part of the equation, and it's definitely a smaller part. It's just something his defenders will point to, and, quite frankly, it's the only part of managing the pandemic he's managed to be somewhat consistent about. It's nowhere near enough, obviously - and, in fact, it really just exposes his hypocrisy. If can recognize these behaviours are foolish, why can't he enact or enforce measures to prevent them?

Yeah, I mean, even if we're inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and say the lack of meaningful action to match his words is the result of a genuine faith in people to do the right thing eventually not changing streams when you get months and months of evidence that your strategy isn't working would, you would think, mandate a shift in tactics.

But, like I said above, the lack of things like mandatory paid sick days is a pretty good sign that it's not incompetence but disregard causing most of the problems.