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Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility

Saint Nik said:
Jalili said:
I guess it might be early to say this, but this entire saga looks a bonehead move on Turris' part.

Taking the high road might have saved him from sitting out a few months, possibly burning bridges with his organization, and creating a ton of negative publicity for himself.
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I think it's entirely too early to say that without seeing the contract or where Turris actually ends up playing.
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It's still early but considering the alternative hands he could have played, this does not seem like it was the smartest course of action.

Still a great talent though.
 
Jalili said:
It's still early but considering the alternative hands he could have played, this does not seem like it was the smartest course of action.
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If Turris genuinely wanted to be traded what alternatives did he have that were smarter?
 
Saint Nik said:
Jalili said:
It's still early but considering the alternative hands he could have played, this does not seem like it was the smartest course of action.
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If Turris genuinely wanted to be traded what alternatives did he have that were smarter?
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Couldn't he have signed a deal, come to camp, and demand a trade?

He was told all along that Maloney was not going to budge, so how did holding out until November help him?  I don't see how that could help interest in him, I'm sure any team that was interested before would still be interested in him, but a good start to the season could have ramped up interest and got a deal done.

EDIT: Though I guess that didn't help Souray (I think that's who I'm thinking of).
 
Potvin29 said:
Couldn't he have signed a deal, come to camp, and demand a trade?
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Well, no. He could have signed a deal, come to camp and requested a trade. A request Maloney could turn down. It's not just a semantic difference there, if Turris signs a deal then he's obligated to play and he has absolutely no leverage. At least by not signing he was withholding something that he wasn't obligated to provide.

Potvin29 said:
I'm sure any team that was interested before would still be interested in him, but a good start to the season could have ramped up interest and got a deal done.
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Or it could have convinced Maloney that Turris was a very good player who would help the team going forward and made him less inclined to trade him. If Turris didn't want to play for the Coyotes then signing a deal that put where he was going to play in the Coyotes' hands would have to be a last resort.
 
Saint Nik said:
Jalili said:
It's still early but considering the alternative hands he could have played, this does not seem like it was the smartest course of action.
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If Turris genuinely wanted to be traded what alternatives did he have that were smarter?
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He over-played his hand. Should have established himself this season, then requested the trade. Him and his camp probably thought they could coerce Maloney based on how he's complied with other young players who have requested trades, like Mueller/Wheeler/Wolski etc, but this time Maloney made an example of him and played hardball. If Turris was already a good player, he'd have been in a better position to negotiate his future.
 
I don't know if he overplayed, in fact given that Turris/agent just managed to let the hockey world know he wants out and has a contract after using the leverage he did have ( Dec 1 ) I think he played what he was dealt pretty fair.

 
Jalili said:
He over-played his hand. Should have established himself this season, then requested the trade.
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That doesn't make any sense. If a player plays well his team is going to be less inclined to trade him, not more.
 
Potvin29 said:
He was told all along that Maloney was not going to budge, so how did holding out until November help him? 
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I don't know the context of the argument because I haven't read the thread but I will observe that just because Maloney said he wouldn't budge, doesn't mean that he actually wouldn't budge.  In a negotiation, a party will typically say "I won't give you X" but then they do sometimes wind up giving you X.  You never know if the guy opposite you is going to stick to his position...

But my overall opinion of the situation is that in the end, it doesn't look like Turris did himself any favours.  We are often told that it is tough to sit out the first few months of the season and then jump back in, especially if you are a young player.  That development time is useful.  Turris seems to have lost out on that development time and not gained himself anything substantial.
 
Saint Nik said:
Jalili said:
He over-played his hand. Should have established himself this season, then requested the trade.
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That doesn't make any sense. If a player plays well his team is going to be less inclined to trade him, not more.
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It does, and it forces the GM's hand to make a decision other than letting him rot. The cost of having him out of the lineup is greater, and it makes it more difficult not to trade him when the demand for him is greater. Assuming he establishes himself as a good player that is.
 
Tigger said:
I don't know if he overplayed, in fact given that Turris/agent just managed to let the hockey world know he wants out and has a contract after using the leverage he did have ( Dec 1 ) I think he played what he was dealt pretty fair.
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That depends on how one looks at it, because it was the Turris camp that conceded, not Maloney. The contract that was on the table all along, dating way back to September, is the one they ended up settling on. According to Lebrun that is...
 
Dreger is saying a Kyle Turris trade could happen today.  Not sure which team but he also indicated that Burke and the Leafs are already in their "trade freeze" for Christmas.

I have no idea why he is "laughing out loud" when he said that though...

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
Told the Calgary Flames are out of the Turris hunt. Ottawa still has interest. Wpg isn't in. Toronto is in its freeze (lol)...
 
I would guess the LOL at freeze is the assumption that the feeze is only as good as the deal being offered.  If Wash is offering Ovie for Schenn I would be fairly certain that the freeze would thaw rather quickly.
 
Man, I hope a team like Ottawa really overpays for him, only to see him never evolve to be more than the mediocre 3rd line centre he is right now.
 
Busta Reims said:
Man, I hope a team like Ottawa really overpays for him, only to see him never evolve to be more than the mediocre 3rd line centre he is right now.
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I would rather the Leafs get him for just a pick or two, and he evolves into a first line centre!  But failing that, your idea works too!
 
Busta Reims said:
Man, I hope a team like Ottawa really overpays for him, only to see him never evolve to be more than the mediocre 3rd line centre he is right now.
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He's got Columbus written aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalll over him.
 
Corn Flake said:
Busta Reims said:
Man, I hope a team like Ottawa really overpays for him, only to see him never evolve to be more than the mediocre 3rd line centre he is right now.
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He's got Columbus written aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalll over him.
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Given the circumstances, Turris for Brassard makes some sense...
 
Mr. Leaf said:
I would rather the Leafs get him for just a pick or two, and he evolves into a first line centre!  But failing that, your idea works too!
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Given his career so far (both NHL and AHL), it's growing increasingly unlikely that he'll become more than a 2nd line guy. Phoenix is probably still expecting value for him based on his draft position - and, I expect some unfortunate team will give that up and rue the day they made the deal.
 
Jalili said:
Tigger said:
I don't know if he overplayed, in fact given that Turris/agent just managed to let the hockey world know he wants out and has a contract after using the leverage he did have ( Dec 1 ) I think he played what he was dealt pretty fair.
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That depends on how one looks at it, because it was the Turris camp that conceded, not Maloney. The contract that was on the table all along, dating way back to September, is the one they ended up settling on. According to Lebrun that is...
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If Turris and his agent were planning on pushing the envelope to Dec. 1 then the 'concession' as it were was an acceptable loss in terms of their strategy from the beginning of it's inception. He wasn't trying to get a better contract, he was trying to get out and he may have a better chance at that now.

I think all that's left is to help Maloney save a little face in the process.
 
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