Busta Reims said:
Agreed. I wouldn't read too much into this.
Dupuis placed on waivers
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Agreed. I wouldn't read too much into this.
LuncheonMeat
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Busta Reims said:
I look forward to both of them coming back. Those two may be able to stir up the PK a little bit.
BlueWhiteBlood
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Busta Reims said:
I suppose that fits right, given the rumours of them coming back. Dupuis can always come back up, as there is no real risk to lose him, one would think.
Mikhail Bloodnovsky
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LuncheonMeat said:
If we hinge on Komisarek to improve anything then this team is in a lot more deeper trouble then it looks.
Kessel Run
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Why Dupuis and not Rosehill or Orr? Dupuis can at least play on the PK.
bustaheims
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Zee said:
Well, it is and it isn't. Yes, the Leafs PK was bad, but, Dupuis was still their best PK forward. To improve the PK, the team needed to push him down the PK rankings, rather than remove him from it completely.
Just to put things into a little perspective - so far this season, the Leafs have allowed 41 goals in 232:45 on the PK. In his 73:24 of PK time, Dupuis was on for 9 of those goals. So, despite playing 31.5% of the team's PK minutes, he was on the ice for only 22% of the goals the team has allowed on the PK. If the entire PK unit killed off penalties at the same rate as it has when Dupuis was on the ice (1 goal every ~490 seconds of PK time), the Leafs would have allowed 10-12 less goals this season, and have a PK percentage of somewhere in 80-82% range. That's a pretty substantial gap. How much of that is directly related to Dupuis' contributions is hard to judge, but, I'd say it's pretty safe to say the Leafs' PK is better with Dupuis than it is without him.
Kin
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Busta Reims said:
I don't know that those numbers are substantial enough or in fact that those are quality enough metrics to say either that Dupuis is the team's best penalty killer or that he has a net positive effect on the team's pk. Not to mention, just at a glance, the way that number is calculated would seem to give a pretty big edge to a team's #1 PK unit regardless of how well they play.
Rebel_1812
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Busta Reims said:
I applaud your mathcraft of a borderline nhler that no other team wanted.
ZBBM
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This is an ?berdebate. Dupuis may not have been the biggest problem with the PK, but he was signed to improve the PK and it hasn't improved. Therefore he failed to do his job. When that happens, you get terminated or demoted, not, say, extended for another year to the tune of millions. :
bustaheims
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:This is an ?berdebate. Dupuis may not have been the biggest problem with the PK, but he was signed to improve the PK and it hasn't improved. Therefore he failed to do his job. When that happens, you get terminated or demoted, not, say, extended for another year to the tune of millions. :
He wasn't signed to improve the PK, though - that's just too much responsibility to place on a single player that's not a goalie. He was signed because he's decent at PKing, and the number show that he did a pretty good job of that. It's really not his fault the rest of the PK group are terrible.
Busta Reims said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:This is an ?berdebate. Dupuis may not have been the biggest problem with the PK, but he was signed to improve the PK and it hasn't improved. Therefore he failed to do his job. When that happens, you get terminated or demoted, not, say, extended for another year to the tune of millions. :
He wasn't signed to improve the PK, though - that's just too much responsibility to place on a single player that's not a goalie. He was signed because he's decent at PKing, and the number show that he did a pretty good job of that. It's really not his fault the rest of the PK group are terrible.
At the same time I can't believe anybody cares that much one way or another about this player. You have cynics on the left saying "Bah! He's taking up a roster spot (not anymore) and is a waste of money! Darryl Boyce would've saved us all along!" and on the right you have people saying "Hey, he's good on the PK! He's decent and was unfairly sent down!"
My view: Philippe Dupuis is a, more or less, inconsequential player who has neither helped nor hurt the team during his play here, and was signed to be a good fourth line player, and was not brought in because the Leafs thought he was a one man PK genius or a scoring threat.
But my question is this: Why does anyone even care?
Kin
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Bender said:
Seems pretty straightforward to me. The PK is a pressing issue right now. Dupuis was, indisputably, a large part of the PK even though opinions obviously vary as to his aptitude for killing penalties.
If you believe, as some have expressed, that Dupuis was the team's most effective PK'ing forward then a team struggling on the PK may be sending down one of their better players on it. If you're less inclined to believe that Dupuis was one of the better penalty killers on the team, the reality is that his absence still creates a void of ice time that will have to be filled.
The struggles of the team short-handed is a very significant subplot to the team's season right now. Sending down Dupuis is an important development in that sense.
Zee
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:This is an ?berdebate. Dupuis may not have been the biggest problem with the PK, but he was signed to improve the PK and it hasn't improved. Therefore he failed to do his job. When that happens, you get terminated or demoted, not, say, extended for another year to the tune of millions. :
Exactly. Nobody is saying Dupuis was the problem on the PK, only that he didn't provide much of a solution to it. If he's not a bona-fide premier penalty killer, what's he doing on the team?
GhostofPotvin29
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Zee said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:This is an ?berdebate. Dupuis may not have been the biggest problem with the PK, but he was signed to improve the PK and it hasn't improved. Therefore he failed to do his job. When that happens, you get terminated or demoted, not, say, extended for another year to the tune of millions. :
Exactly. Nobody is saying Dupuis was the problem on the PK, only that he didn't provide much of a solution to it. If he's not a bona-fide premier penalty killer, what's he doing on the team?
Being pretty responsible defensively at even strength as well?