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Flyers vs. Maple Leafs - Jan. 7th, 7:30pm - SN, TSN 1050

Joe S. said:
Valiquette has been revelation on the show. I find Kipper and Bourne, on their own to be borderline insufferable, but Valiquette may be the most insightful hockey mind I’ve heard on the radio.
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Add in Mackee and the show is brutal. Valiquette is great. He broke down Sammy last year and even he said Woll was the better goalie. Why the Leafs started Sammy last year in the playoffs is beyond my pay grade.
 
Guilt Trip said:
Add in Mackee and the show is brutal. Valiquette is great. He broke down Sammy last year and even he said Woll was the better goalie. Why the Leafs started Sammy last year in the playoffs is beyond my pay grade.
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It's pretty obvious they weren't comfortable with the fact that he was out 2.5 months with a high ankle sprain and played 25 games. I don't agree with the decision but you can see why, esp. seeing as he ultimately got injured again anyway.
 
Bender said:
It's pretty obvious they weren't comfortable with the fact that he was out 2.5 months with a high ankle sprain and played 25 games. I don't agree with the decision but you can see why, esp. seeing as he ultimately got injured again anyway.
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No I don't see because the stats didn't back it up. Another guy that might know goalies, Weekes said the Leafs needed to play Woll more to get him back in game shape after he came back from injury. They didn't do that. Weekes was another guy that said Woll is the guy they need to go with. Ullmark was another guy. According to Valiquette, Sammy was one of the worst goalies in the league last season. Leafs have access to all those stats but chose to ignore them.
 
I watched the game w my Dad tonight (who doesn't follow Leafs as much as I do) and i told him at the end of the second period when it was 2 to 2 that the score would end up 3 to 2 Leafs for the win. I think he didn't believe me.

It's the first season I feel comfortable going into the third period during a tied game knowing that the Leafs will find a way to win the game. Usually by only one goal.

They just keep finding the path to the W this season.
 
bustaheims said:
Yup. Bringing in quality defence wasn't the issue with Dubas. Bringing in a quality goalie, however...
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Freddie was a quality starter, except he had a tendency for a weak goal at the worst time. Campbell was very good, until he wasn't...lol. Sammy had a very good first year but was plagued with the softie at the wrong time especially in the playoffs. I don't know why Tre re-signed him last season. He did help draft Hildeby, Akhtyamov and Peksa so other then Stolarz, Dubas has his hands all over our goaltending including Woll who he signed to his last 2 contracts for less then his ELC.
 
Guilt Trip said:
Freddie was a quality starter, except he had a tendency for a weak goal at the worst time. Campbell was very good, until he wasn't...lol. Sammy had a very good first year but was plagued with the softie at the wrong time especially in the playoffs. I don't know why Tre re-signed him last season. He did help draft Hildeby, Akhtyamov and Peksa so other then Stolarz, Dubas has his hands all over our goaltending including Woll who he signed to his last 2 contracts for less then his ELC.
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I would argue that Campbell was ‘meh’ at best - if anything, the team played a strong defensive game in front of him. He never really stole a game and would give up just terrible goals throughout the game.

I never felt, while watching a Campbell game, that he was rock solid back there.
 
Guilt Trip said:
Freddie was a quality starter, except he had a tendency for a weak goal at the worst time. Campbell was very good, until he wasn't...lol. Sammy had a very good first year but was plagued with the softie at the wrong time especially in the playoffs. I don't know why Tre re-signed him last season. He did help draft Hildeby, Akhtyamov and Peksa so other then Stolarz, Dubas has his hands all over our goaltending including Woll who he signed to his last 2 contracts for less then his ELC.
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He inherited Andersen - LouLam was the GM that brought him in. The pro-level goalies Dubas brought in were all inconsistent (at best) and he made some really critical mistakes in terms of guys he let go (like losing McBackup and Pickard to keep Sparks). As for the drafted guys, he was GM while many of them were chosen, sure, but, it's typically the head of scouting that makes the call for picks outside the 1st round - so, partial credit for that, while also pointing out that these goalies are all still largely unknowns at the NHL level.
 
Joe S. said:
I would argue that Campbell was ‘meh’ at best - if anything, the team played a strong defensive game in front of him. He never really stole a game and would give up just terrible goals throughout the game.

I never felt, while watching a Campbell game, that he was rock solid back there.
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Campbell had a stretch of 15 or so games in 21/22 where he was really good, but, outside of a few other short stretches, he was definitely not great - and once things went downhill with him, they really went downhill fast.
 
cabber24 said:
Who would have thought that having a NHL caliber defense core would make a difference... not Dubas.
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I agree with Cabber24. The issue.... that still plagues this franchise, is that Dubas shoved over 50% of the cap is in just 4 forwards. Contracts could have been negotiated better and architecture could have been more balanced.....but instead the roster was left small amounts of money for the rest of the forwards, and to build out the defense and the crease. The winners like the Avs, Lightening, Panthers, GK were considerably more balanced.

Treliving, with the same architectural problems Dubas left, built out a very competitive blue line and a top crease in 18 months. I am very impressed. The ultimate proof will be in the playoffs... so I reserve judgement. But a hot goalie and a frugal blue line has way more influence to carry a team in the post season than a couple of hot forwards.
 
bustaheims said:
He inherited Andersen - LouLam was the GM that brought him in. The pro-level goalies Dubas brought in were all inconsistent (at best) and he made some really critical mistakes in terms of guys he let go (like losing McBackup and Pickard to keep Sparks). As for the drafted guys, he was GM while many of them were chosen, sure, but, it's typically the head of scouting that makes the call for picks outside the 1st round - so, partial credit for that, while also pointing out that these goalies are all still largely unknowns at the NHL level.
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My point about Freddie is they had a goalie so there was no need to bring one in during his time. The Sparks keep would've been done by all 31 other GMs. Campbell was not inconsistent. He was very good for the Leafs but also had the Freddie habit of a bad goal. His numbers were very good for the Leafs overall. I remember people were begging Dubas to sign him in the 21/22 season.
And Sammy was great his 1st year here. He faltered in the playoffs.
 
Joe S. said:
The leafs had some of their best defensive years under Dubas and clearly he tried to upgrade the defence every year. To call those non nhl calibre defences is ridiculous.
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Why did we add at least 2 defensemen every deadline? The D core was nowhere near good enough during any time Dubas was GM. I would argue team D was decent during that time due to Keefe's coaching and not personnel. The game they play now is much simpler because they can trust their blue line (and goal-tending).
 
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