Franson, Kadri, Gardiner, Reimer ... still Leafs at the deadline?
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hockeyfan1
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Kadri, Reimer, Gunnarson, Franson, to Winnipeg for Kane, Byfuylien, Montoya.
( Just joking. I actually read this elsewhere).
Truth is I would not do away with neither of these Leafs, with the possible exception of Gardiner or Franson, and only if the return is more than measurable. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Gardiner were to be traded (on account of having Reilly).
( Just joking. I actually read this elsewhere).
Truth is I would not do away with neither of these Leafs, with the possible exception of Gardiner or Franson, and only if the return is more than measurable. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Gardiner were to be traded (on account of having Reilly).
bustaheims
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L K said:
Once you factor in the cap hits that need to be removed from the roster to activate Bolland, you're putting the Leafs to the point where they don't have enough cap space to have enough players on the roster. It's a deal that really only works in a vacuum.
hockeyfan1
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RedLeaf said:
What makes you so certain? (I like Gardiner's speed & shooting ability and think he should be a keeper, along with Reilly, of course).
2badknees
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If the leafs are in a playoff position, I don't see any roster player being moved apart from 4th liners or Reimer. And I'd assume we'd need a goalie back.
Actually, if the Jets were interested in Reimer as a potential starter, we could take Montoya back as our backup - he's only got a 600K cap hit, and he's outplayed Pavelec.....
Actually, if the Jets were interested in Reimer as a potential starter, we could take Montoya back as our backup - he's only got a 600K cap hit, and he's outplayed Pavelec.....
93forever
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Anyone hear if Shanahan is reviewing Kadri's hit on Ceci? After replaying that play it looked like Ceci turned his back to the play while behind the net which is kind of stupid for a defenceman to do, and Ceci was a couple of feet away from the boards so I cannot see how or why Kadri would get suspended. If anything, Kadri is playing Gary Roberts style of hockey so I would hate to see him leave, and if anything else, Kadri should have hit him harder ;D
Stickytape
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Apparently Kadri is in the clear: there won't be an supplementary discipline.
Britishbulldog
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hockeyfan1 said:
With TJ Brennan in the system as a LH 6'1" 213 lbs offensive dman who doesn't appear to fear getting his nose dirty, I think that Gardiner is a possibility to trade as a great piece.
I don't know if any of you saw that game in St John's that Brennan got in a fight but he wasn't messing around. He was throwing them like a fighter not Alexander Semin.
http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/121429
Edited to add video...although I thought he connected you can still see he was in the mindset of tossing fists.
Champ Kind
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Britishbulldog said:
Sorry, but what value does punching other people in the head bring to an offensive-minded defenseman's game? We can debate the idea that Brennan could or should replace Gardiner, but I don't think fighting enters that conversation.
Highlander
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No trade Gardiner, Kuliman, Reilly, Kadri or any other of the great players we have. Gardiner is an electric talent whom will only get better, what we have to do is pair the Riellys and Gardners with stay at home solid D men. Then they can make their gaffes and be covered in their own end, whilst relying on their phenominal superhuman speed to get back.
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losveratos
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Of course it does. It means we'll have another player maybe playing 10+ minutes and we can trade Orr and McLaren.A Weekend at Bernier's said:
When half of your defence will throw down and fight with the opposition if needed... that means a more skilled 4th line.
How in any universe (where fighting is a part of hockey of course) is that not a benefit that should be discussed?
I think you're just trying to play stupid to the idea because you're in the no fighting camp. Which is a fine camp to be in if you so choose. But until that actually happens. Our coaching staff and gm would be stupid to ignore fighting completely.
Kin
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losveratos said:
Well, the bit where fighting existing in the game of hockey doesn't translate to it ever being something that's "needed" and that Orr and McLaren could be traded tomorrow without negative consequences in a lot of people's minds with absolutely no regard given to who, among the Leafs actual hockey players, will take part in an entirely unnecessary and rapidly diminishing part of the game.
Highlander
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I have been advocating getting rid of fighting completely for years. It cheapens the fastest best game in the world. It is savage, like bullfighting (which is also going the way of the Dodo), and is not tolerated in the NBA, NFL, MLB, MLS or any other professional league in the world. Oh the old schoolers say (and I am an old school guy), its part of the game, always have been and always will be. This is of course nonsense, I think back to the Orr/Parros fiasco and think, "what the hell are our kids watching, what are they learning from this"? What that life can be hard so you better be ready, or that it is alright to be an all out savage?
Fighting and especially staged fighting are putting me off the game I love, it makes places for stiffs like Orr and Fraser to have spots on a professional hockey team, when young skilled players would have a chance to inject even more life into the most energetic game in the world (outside of female mud wrestling of course). Sorry for the rant but arent we all getting tired of this mockery. Of course reaction fights will never stop entirely, as in football, soccer and baseball, but it would limit it to spur of the moment hostility.
Fighting and especially staged fighting are putting me off the game I love, it makes places for stiffs like Orr and Fraser to have spots on a professional hockey team, when young skilled players would have a chance to inject even more life into the most energetic game in the world (outside of female mud wrestling of course). Sorry for the rant but arent we all getting tired of this mockery. Of course reaction fights will never stop entirely, as in football, soccer and baseball, but it would limit it to spur of the moment hostility.
Champ Kind
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losveratos said:
So you're telling me Gardiner's - GARDINER - 'replacement' will play 10 minutes and fight? Tell me, what am I missing here?
I was in a University lecture hall the other day and noticed that the desks, which must be vestiges from the 1970's, had ashtrays built into them. It seems so odd to me that, at one point, it would have been normal to smoke during class. I guess that, over time, things change.
EDIT: Oh, and sorry to nitpick, but you're the one living in an alternate reality if you think there's a trade market for McLaren or Orr.
Highlander
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Isn't it time we found this guy a seat at the table http://theleafsnation.com/2014/2/11/brennan-represents-marlies-in-ahl-skills-competition
Champ Kind
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Highlander said:
This is where I'm at with it, Highlander. Sure, there's excitement that comes with a fight, and I certainly won't turn away when it's happening. But once I had kids I thought to myself, "What if that was my son getting hit in the head?". That's when it changed for me. Emotional, spur of the moment outbursts will happen, but the "do nothing but fight" element of the game has to go.
Highlander
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Yes there is a trade market for Orr and Mclaren?we could get some scrap copper wire and oh yes some Ore.