Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen

[ZBBM]

Who do you think negotiated this -- Nonis or Shanny?

Nonis.

So you think he stays after the season?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Well yeah, but what I'm wondering is why they couldn't have put Franson for a NSH 1st on hold (where else is Polie going to get that need filled?) and shop Santorelli around up closer to the deadline?  Seems to me that he would have fetched a bit more.

I'm not really thumbs down on this, just questioning the strategy a bit.

I wonder if Franson's health made the Leafs want to speed this up a little bit. Nashville obviously would have done their medical testing and all, but it's clear that something was bothering Franson. If that got worse and we couldn't trade him, man that'd be pretty awful.

 

[Kin]

Who do you think negotiated this -- Nonis or Shanny?

Nonis.

Yeah, this doesn't seem complicated enough to have to include Shanahan in on things. I mean, whatever you might think of Nonis aside Shanahan doesn't have a scouting or front office background so I'd still prefer Nonis making decisions where prospects are involved.

 

[Sudafederov]

So we turned Lebda into a first? Genius!

 

[ZBBM]

The question is, as has been said, could we have gotten more for Santo separately? Poile's statement was that they were fortunate to have plugged 2 needs in 1 deal, so to me it seems like they could have tried to charge a premium for that -- meaning, a higher-ranked prospect that Leipsic.

Maybe, but like I said I think we all had Santo's value at around a 2nd round pick. Leipsic was a 3rd rounder who seems to be developed very well, I wouldn't be surprised if he went in the 2nd round in a re-draft. So we basically got a 2nd rounder just fast-forwarded a little bit.

Well, following Nik's lead here, maybe they flip both Leipsic & Olli at the deadline?

 

[Kin]

Well yeah, but what I'm wondering is why they couldn't have put Franson for a NSH 1st on hold (where else is Polie going to get that need filled?) and shop Santorelli around up closer to the deadline?  Seems to me that he would have fetched a bit more.

I'm not really thumbs down on this, just questioning the strategy a bit.

I would guess it boiled down to a combination of some or all of these things:

1) They really like Leipsic and were worried Nashville might use him in another trade
2) They valued the team getting worse immediately
3) Santorelli's value is being overestimated

 

[caver]

It's great that the sell - off has started...next Winnik...then maybe some core guys ??

 

[ZBBM]

Well yeah, but what I'm wondering is why they couldn't have put Franson for a NSH 1st on hold (where else is Polie going to get that need filled?) and shop Santorelli around up closer to the deadline?  Seems to me that he would have fetched a bit more.

I'm not really thumbs down on this, just questioning the strategy a bit.

I would guess it boiled down to a combination of some or all of these things:

1) They really like Leipsic and were worried Nashville might use him in another trade
2) They valued the team getting worse immediately
3) Santorelli's value is being overestimated

Yah, that's about it I guess.  Also what busta posted above pretty muh wraps it.

 

[Can8899]

Sounded like a good return to me.  Would you rather a 1st for franson and a 2nd for santorelli separately?

My thoughts exactly.  I would have thought that separating the two could have allowed for the two high picks. 

Jokinen is irrelevant at this point, he's here to fill a roster spot and will be gone at the end of the year if not sooner....

 

[Redleaf]

Poile, by all accounts, is a pretty clever GM. A late round first a 3rd rounder and a salary dump isn't a great return fro two sought after players come deadline time. I think he knew Franson and Santo's value would have only gone up in the coming weeks. Smart move and good deal for Nashville.

Did the Leafs get what they wanted? Probably not, but we'll see how the picks they got turn out before we know for sure.

I'm giving the trade a C for the Leafs and a B+ for Nashville.

 

[Kin]

Maybe, but like I said I think we all had Santo's value at around a 2nd round pick. Leipsic was a 3rd rounder who seems to be developed very well, I wouldn't be surprised if he went in the 2nd round in a re-draft. So we basically got a 2nd rounder just fast-forwarded a little bit.

Also, it's worth mentioning that while we had Santorelli's value at around a 2nd, it was almost certainly going to be a late second. There was that study of draft success a while back that said once you get outside of the top 40 or so the difference of success between picks 41-100 is pretty negligible. .

 

[Bates]

And John Slaney(Burke joke)

So we turned Lebda into a first? Genius!

 

[Kin]

Poile, by all accounts, is a pretty clever GM.

Who is still the GM who thought Paul Gaustad was worth a first rounder. He might not be the best judge of who's worth what come deadline day.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Poile, by all accounts, is a pretty clever GM. A late round first a 3rd rounder and a salary dump isn't a great return fro two sought after players come deadline time. I think he knew Franson and Santo's value would have only gone up in the coming weeks. Smart move and good deal for Nashville.

Did the Leafs get what they wanted? Probably not, but we'll see how the picks they got turn out before we know for sure.

I'm giving the trade a C for the Leafs and a B+ for Nashville.

I'd be somewhat surprised if any other team moved a 1st round pick at the deadline. I absolutely thought Franson deserved a 1st but a lot of teams are reportedly very hesitant to move one this year. So getting a pick like that back is a success no matter how you look at it.

 

[Redleaf]

Maybe, but like I said I think we all had Santo's value at around a 2nd round pick. Leipsic was a 3rd rounder who seems to be developed very well, I wouldn't be surprised if he went in the 2nd round in a re-draft. So we basically got a 2nd rounder just fast-forwarded a little bit.

Also, it's worth mentioning that while we had Santorelli's value at around a 2nd, it was almost certainly going to be a late second. There was that study of draft success a while back that said once you get outside of the top 40 or so the difference of success between picks 41-100 is pretty negligible. .

I wonder if there was ever any consideration of keeping him around for the rebuild. I mean, you need some veteran presence around a team full of rookies. Someone that has a great work ethic, and with scoring ability, but doesn't break the bank to have him. I would have thought Santo would be a pretty good fit for that type of role. Who fills that spot now I wonder?

 

[Deebo]

Maybe, but like I said I think we all had Santo's value at around a 2nd round pick. Leipsic was a 3rd rounder who seems to be developed very well, I wouldn't be surprised if he went in the 2nd round in a re-draft. So we basically got a 2nd rounder just fast-forwarded a little bit.

Also, it's worth mentioning that while we had Santorelli's value at around a 2nd, it was almost certainly going to be a late second. There was that study of draft success a while back that said once you get outside of the top 40 or so the difference of success between picks 41-100 is pretty negligible. .

I wonder if there was ever any consideration of keeping him around for the rebuild. I mean, you need some veteran presence around a team full of rookies. Someone that has a great work ethic, and with scoring ability, but doesn't break the bank to have him. I would have thought Santo would be a pretty good fit for that type of role. Who fills that spot now I wonder?

Some other scrap heap UFA signing this offseason.

 

[Redleaf]

Poile, by all accounts, is a pretty clever GM.

Who is still the GM who thought Paul Gaustad was worth a first rounder. He might not be the best judge of who's worth what come deadline day.

Of course, I'm talking about the bigger picture. Every GM has a dud deal on their resume somewhere.

 

[Joe S.]

As clever as Poile is, he may also have traded his first round pick for 6 weeks of play.

To get a first round pick for pending UFA's seems more than reasonable.

 

[Kin]

I wonder if there was ever any consideration of keeping him around for the rebuild. I mean, you need some veteran presence around a team full of rookies. Someone that has a great work ethic, and with scoring ability, but doesn't break the bank to have him. I would have thought Santo would be a pretty good fit for that type of role. Who fills that spot now I wonder?

I certainly hope not. If you're looking for that sort of guy you sign him as a UFA. Santorelli was found money. It would be ridiculous not to trade him.

 

[Kin]

Of course, I'm talking about the bigger picture. Every GM has a dud deal on their resume somewhere.

Seriously, if you think Santorelli would have fetched significantly more than Leipsic at the deadline you need to go back and look at the NYI-Montreal trade at last year's deadline. Vanek had 53 points in 60 games at that point and he went for a late second and a prospect.