General Leafs Talk: Post-Olympics Edition

[GhostofPotvin29]

Steve Spott commented on who may be ready to make the jump to the NHL next season, and beyond:

@Hope_Smoke 

Steve Spott on TSN Radio "Ashton, Holland and D'Amigo come to mind about helping the Leafs next year."

@Hope_Smoke

Spott "I think Granberg is ready to step right in with the Leafs at the beginning of next season."

@Hope_Smoke 

Spott "I see Percy and MacWilliam being future NHLers"

‏@Hope_Smoke 

Spott "Gauthier is going to be a big shutdown centre for our organization for a long time. Going to be that big 3rd line checking C"

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Ashton and Holland will both need to clear waivers next season if they're sent down, so they'll likely be in a Colborne-type situation where if they don't make the team they'll be shipped out. I doubt that happens again though.

I would expect all three of those forwards and then one of those defencemen to be on the team next season. Gauthier is still at least a year away it seems.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Ashton and Holland will both need to clear waivers next season if they're sent down, so they'll likely be in a Colborne-type situation where if they don't make the team they'll be shipped out. I doubt that happens again though.

I would expect all three of those forwards and then one of those defencemen to be on the team next season. Gauthier is still at least a year away it seems.

I've mostly resisted beating this dead horse, but I hope it's not with Carlyle coaching.  These guys need meaningful minutes to see if they can stick and help the team, and I don't think that happens with Carlyle.  The Leafs could certainly use the cap savings running with 4 or 5 guys like that.  This would also allow time for the cap to increase and make some of our really bad contracts become simply bad contracts. 

 

[pmrules]

My comment there was more a joke re: pmrules asking about those teams specifically, not accusing you of anything.

Ok, gotcha.

Sorry I missed this, and didn't follow up.

Well...I was actually trying to make a sarcastic point.    Folks can give all the credit to Chicago...but you have to equivalently give discredit to those who use the "advanced stats" and failed, hence my pointed questions about St. Louis, San Jose and Detroit.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Sorry I missed this, and didn't follow up.

Well...I was actually trying to make a sarcastic point.    Folks can give all the credit to Chicago...but you have to equivalently give discredit to those who use the "advanced stats" and failed, hence my pointed questions about St. Louis, San Jose and Detroit.

29 teams "fail" every season, doesn't mean you would discredit methods they used if they could help your team somehow.

EDIT: If that's what you were suggesting.

 

[Kin]

Sorry I missed this, and didn't follow up.

Well...I was actually trying to make a sarcastic point.    Folks can give all the credit to Chicago...but you have to equivalently give discredit to those who use the "advanced stats" and failed, hence my pointed questions about St. Louis, San Jose and Detroit.

Ah. Then I misread it to boot. The thing about St. Louis and San Jose, obviously, is that they didn't just "fail" but, rather, failed pretty spectacularly.

 

[bustaheims]

Well...I was actually trying to make a sarcastic point.    Folks can give all the credit to Chicago...but you have to equivalently give discredit to those who use the "advanced stats" and failed, hence my pointed questions about St. Louis, San Jose and Detroit.

Sure, but, you're looking at teams that have failed on the micro-level (individual playoff series) when a number of small things can be the difference between success and failure, whereas, on the macro-level - where those smaller things have less impact - while they haven't won the Cup in the last few seasons, they've been very successful in terms of their overall records.

 

[mr grieves]

they could do all those good things but without toews and kane they would be just another playoff team and not a contender.

"Just another playoff team" sounds nice right now.

 

[rdowdall]

Sorry I missed this, and didn't follow up.

Well...I was actually trying to make a sarcastic point.    Folks can give all the credit to Chicago...but you have to equivalently give discredit to those who use the "advanced stats" and failed, hence my pointed questions about St. Louis, San Jose and Detroit.

Ah. Then I misread it to boot. The thing about St. Louis and San Jose, obviously, is that they didn't just "fail" but, rather, failed pretty spectacularly.

YEAH!!!  And the Leafs have never done that.....wait a second.....

 

[Kin]

YEAH!!!  And the Leafs have never done that.....wait a second.....

There you go. Spectacular failure is  possibility no matter how many 3rd cousins you have on the payroll as data analysts.

 

[Highlander]

Looks like Reimer is picking up where he left off with the Loafs?losing to France?.with Carlyle staying and losing to France perhaps it time to stick my old noggin into the frikken microwave.

 

[mc]

but but but ...


(jezus how do you lose to france?)

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

but but but ...


(jezus how do you lose to france?)

Russia also lost to them in last year's tournament.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

(jezus how do you lose to france?)

Obviously Canada should have won the game, but to the French this was pretty much their gold medal game. For Canada it was a pretty meaningless one that just allowed their players to shake off some rust.

 

[mc]

France roster:

MANAVIAN Antonin
TREILLE Yorick
MEUNIER Laurent
DESROSIERS Julien
AMAR Baptiste
FLEURY Damien
da COSTA Stephane
AUVITU Yohann
BELLEMAREPierre-Edouard
BESCH Nicolas
ROUSSEL Antoine
JANIL Jonathan
CHAKIACHVILI Florian
GUTTIG Anthony
da COSTA Teddy
TARDIF Luc
HENDERSON Brian
RITZ Nicolas
DIEUDE FAUVEL
Benjamin RAUX Damien
HUET Cristobal
HARDY Florian

vs Canadian roster:

BIEKSA Kevin
GARRISON Jason
TURRIS Kyle
BURROWS Alex
MACKINNON Nathan
HODGSON Cody
BROUWER Troy
COBURN Braydon
KADRI Nazem
MYERS Tyler
ELLIS Ryan
SCHENN Brayden
HUBERDEAU Jonathan
READ Matt
GUDBRANSON Erik
MONAHAN Sean
RIELLY Morgan
CHIMERA Jason
WARD Joel
SCHEIFELE Mark
SCRIVENS Ben
REIMER James

Truth be told, the one name I didn't recognize on the Canadian roster was GUDBRANSON Erik.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Really?  He was a 3rd overall pick 4 years ago.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Somebody is clearly not reading britishbulldog's posts.

 

[mc]

Yeah seriously hadn't heard of him...dude has been quiet in Florida.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Yeah seriously hadn't heard of him...dude has been quiet in Florida.

Yeah, that does tend to happen playing in Florida.

 

[Kin]

Does it really need to happen a hundred times before "a very talented team can lose to a far less talented team in one game if the less talented team gets good goaltending" becomes just another truth of the game?