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sneakyray said:
caputi for deschamps
Getzlaf and Ryan "in play" according to Bob Murray
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caputi for deschamps
groundskeeper willie said:
That could be the way it ends up and Murray may totally have to eat his words but I don't think that's what he's shooting for now.
Schenn as core player ≠ Getzlaf as core player to me, maybe I'm just stating the obvious there.
Saving money is a theme with Anaheim that we've read about but just looking at Beauchemin and Blake they'll have almost 8 mil freed up at the end of the year...
In the end it's probably just a shake up statement, I wouldn't trade any of the top 3 if I was in his shoes unless there was real treasure coming back either and I don't think that's very likely now.
Britishbulldog
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With Anaheim needing financial help I would get Blake in the deal that the Leafs could waive when healthy.
MacArthur, Schenn, Connolly for Getzlaf and Blake.
That has 3 players under contract for next year going to the Ducks. If the Ducks want the cheaper Grabovski instead of Connolly than so be it. Both deals work with the cap.
MacArthur, Schenn, Connolly for Getzlaf and Blake.
That has 3 players under contract for next year going to the Ducks. If the Ducks want the cheaper Grabovski instead of Connolly than so be it. Both deals work with the cap.
Zee
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Mack674 said:All im saying is that Burke isnt suddenly going to cancel a deal because its leaked in the media that something is going on. "Oh! Its in the rumor mill, nevermind I dont want Getzlaf anymore"
Not saying that Burke would cancel the deal, just that with all the attention on those players being available, the asking price goes up. It seems that Murray has publicly announced this to get all GMs talking and drive up the overall price. Burke is too level-headed and won't make a snap decision on a trade to "out-bid" someone else if he feels it's a bad move. So I'm saying the likelihood of Burke pulling off a deal for a superstar from Anaheim is lower now because Murray has asked for the sun and stars in return. Some other GM might be willing to match that price, Burke won't.
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Britishbulldog said:
Colborne/Kadri would be a must in a Getzlaf deal.
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Kush said:
I was actually thinking that after I hit the post button.
I was thinking of the Leaf lineup after the deal:
Lupul / Getzlaf / Kessel
Kulemin / Connolly (Grabovski) / Frattin
Kadri (Lombardi) / Bozak / Armstrong
Boyce (Crabb) Steckel / Brown
MacArthur, Connolly and Colborne for Getzlaf.
Still enough depth for a 2nd deal later.
Britishbulldog said:
Salary Cap.
Mac + Connolly + Colborne would be around $10M. Getzlaf is $5.3.
There is NO WAY, they are adding that much salary, they can't afford where they are as it is. Not to mention I don't think they are looking for veteran depth like Mac and Connolly.
Not that it's going to happen, but if it did it would be 2-4 of these:
Schenn, Kulemin, Kadri, Colborne, Frattin, Gradiner, Aulie, Franson, Gunnarsson, 1st, 2nd.
Guaranteed.
AvroArrow said:
I should clarify myself, I think. I meant that Anaheim would be better off trading for Staal or Carter (or now Nash, if Columbus would do it), which we can't directly match in terms of quality unless we're trading Kessel (which, I think, nobody really wants to do here - and then, it's also debatable if he would match those other guys). Thus, we'd have to hope Murray goes for quantity over quality.
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Erndog said:
Mac + Connolly would be $8M. Getzlaf + Blake is $9.3. (I added Blake back in as your point is good regarding Anaheim team salary costs)
+ Colborne in the minors this year to save salary.
Mac and Getzlaf are the same age, Connolly is MUCH younger than UFAs Koivu, Blake and Selanne and Colborne is very young. Personally I think of veterans being in their 30s but you might be right regarding the ages wanted by Murray.
I would think Schenn's long term $3.6 MIL contract would bump him out of this deal and more for one where the other player is a 2nd or 3rd line winger making around the same money.
Zee
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Andy007 said:I'm not going to get my hopes up. This looks like a Heatly/Hossa type deal rather than a three 2nd liners for an elite 1st liner deal.
I think the Phaneuf trade has spoiled us
Maybe we can work a 3 way deal where Anaheim gets Stajan, Leafs get Getzlaf and Calgary gets Blake.
Erndog said:
Yeah.
I'm reminded of the Ryan thread where we talked a bit about whether it made sense to trade Gardiner straight up for him. If Murray isn't going to get an even trade one for one and looks at more of a package deal then I think it might have to be Gardiner and Kadri + for it to be a competitive offer, maybe less if the Leafs were willing to take Blake but that's really only 2mil in savings so, less but not much less and they'd have to make another move to clear cap space.
Edit to add: The above is also somewhat dependent on just how real and deep the potential cost cutting might be, if Murray is marched off in that direction then other teams have young players too. I'm not saying they'd do it but can you imagine Getzlaf in Boston for Seguin?
Mack674 said:
Expendable might not be the right word, but I wouldn't have any issue if he was involved in a trade that brought in a player of Getzlaf's caliber.
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McPwnage said:
Murray did get the d-man he wanted that helped Anaheim finish 4th last year, and I don't think either of them or even the biggest Lupul fan on earth would have predicted he would put up numbers like this.
With all the back and other injury issues Lupul had, Burke took on all the risk with this trade and at that time, it was going to be 2 seasons of paying a guy $4 mil for who-knows-what level of performance.
We are just getting the Lupul everyone thought was there on draft day, only better.
Kin
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I actually think this is one of those scenarios where, if Getzlaf does get traded, people might be surprised at what he gets dealt for. Getzlaf's a good player, no doubt, but he's not exactly young and he's struggling. If I'm a NHL GM I'm not going to trade a guy who's young and already lights out like RNH or Seguin and I'd be pretty hesitant about trading guys just below that level like Benn or, say, Karlsson.
Any swap of Getzlaf for established guys would have to be for an established player of equal calibre who's similarly struggling. Even then though, do the Ducks get much better with a Getzlaf for Staal deal? Or would they be more or less in the exact same position.
If Getzlaf does get dealt, I have a hunch it's going to be a for a collection of second tier kind of young players/prospects/picks. I think Erndog's list is a good one in terms of what the Leafs have in that regard but I don't know if there are any players on it who are having really good NHL seasons right now. I don't think guys like Connolly or MacArthur would have any value at all in that conversation.
Any swap of Getzlaf for established guys would have to be for an established player of equal calibre who's similarly struggling. Even then though, do the Ducks get much better with a Getzlaf for Staal deal? Or would they be more or less in the exact same position.
If Getzlaf does get dealt, I have a hunch it's going to be a for a collection of second tier kind of young players/prospects/picks. I think Erndog's list is a good one in terms of what the Leafs have in that regard but I don't know if there are any players on it who are having really good NHL seasons right now. I don't think guys like Connolly or MacArthur would have any value at all in that conversation.