Goaltending conundrum

[Jolly good show chaps]

So if Vancouver wanted our first and second pick for Luongo - would we do it? If not, would we do our first plus Komi?

 

[maplesyrup]

I often like to play fantasy and through out ideas but I find it difficult to guess what Luongo's value might be. Honestly, at the moment, I couldn't hazzard a guess.

 

[the dingo ate my baby]

I often like to play fantasy and through out ideas but I find it difficult to guess what Luongo's value might be. Honestly, at the moment, I couldn't hazzard a guess.

Hinges on A) who wants him, and B) who he'd waive for.  I don't think many teams fall into both categories unless Lou REALLY wants out.  I tend to lean towards him being relatively cheap (vs what he brings to the table) because there's not going to be a bidding war for that contract.

 

[L K]

Yeah, I think it hinges heavily on Gillis' ego (does he tell Luongo to suck it up), Luongo's ego (does he insist on a trade) and who gets in on the bidding (Tampa - but what do they really have in terms of trade chips; Florida - would have a hard time absorbing even more salary; Columbus - do they even have a prospect?; etc.)

Maybe Philadelphia blows up their team to acquire him?

 

[leafplasma]

Although a 2nd rounder is not going to make it happen I lean more to your line of thinking then some of the others here.  Lou has a contract which is atrocious in length and at some point if not already may become an albatross.  That will not be easy to unload.  Vancouver has no leverage here and if Burke should choose to could snag Lou on the cheap.  If not he will continue to let in softies on a very talented Vancouver team while Schneider continues to show he is the best of the two time and time again.

A 2 to 1 win/loss ratio, .919 sv. percentage, 5 shutouts; all for a $5.3 M cap hit? Not even close to an albatross. I'd say it's on the cheap side.

Its the term that is atrocious his contract doesn't expire until he is 43 years old another 10 years. 

 

[Tigger]

Tradition?

You know, something that happened once (twice, if you want to stretch the definition of 1st rounder to include prospects drafted in the 1st round), so, clearly, it's a tradition. I mean, it's not like Burke flat out said he won't be trading the Leafs' 1st round pick for a goalie . . . oh wait, he did.

He also said a rebuild would not take 5 years (note: that was his elf imposed limit, not mine) and that he was building from the goal out and, oh yes, something about truculence etc and how his teams don't get run, they run other teams. Then last year at this time he was going to get a centre to play with Kessel.

The chasm between what Burke says and what Burke does dwafs the Grand canyon.

Welcome to Planet Hyperbole...

The word was re-tool and 'not interested' in a five year rebuild but whatever, building from the net out included signing free agents Owuya, Rynnas, Scrivens and Gustavsson while drafting Sparks.

The Leafs defence corp has been changed dramatically since his arrival.

He signed a number of 'truculent' players but Wilson didn't coach like that, wasn't asking for that and the Leafs weren't drafting like that prior to his arrival ( so there wasn't much of it kicking around ) and the free agent market wasn't chock full of it either. He signed Connolly with the notion of playing him on the top line, hedging on Bozak and has drafted fairly 'truculent' so far but they're up the pike as of now.

Now, if you want to say he's made mistakes and has failed to deliver a playoff team so far, fine fair enough, but as far as I can see he's been going about his business pretty much the way he said he would.

So, what was this tradition you were yammering about? If Burke doesn't trade his first round pick for a goalie will it make you happy?

 

[Tigger]

So if Vancouver wanted our first and second pick for Luongo - would we do it? If not, would we do our first plus Komi?

Given the Leafs finish this year, I wouldn't be putting next year's first in play with MacKinnon coming up on his draft year.

 

[jdh1]

So if Vancouver wanted our first and second pick for Luongo - would we do it? If not, would we do our first plus Komi?

Luongo is playing behind a very good team defencively...with the Leaf defence as it is,he wouldn't make much difference.I'd give them Komi if he'll go and a 3rd rounder..at best.

 

[Corn Flake]

Didn't Luongo marry a Florida native? I'm pretty sure he did. May not mean much but if he asked to be traded, I'd have to believe the Canucks would happily oblige.

I don't know how anyone can gloss over the fact that he is not starting. In the playoffs. This is a huge deal and many players have asked to be traded for lesser slights.

He did, and she still lives there with their kids if I recall correctly.  I remember a couple of years ago he went home for the birth of his kid right before the playoffs started and they ended up losing the games he missed, and didn't make the post season.

There have been rumors that he wants to move back east after this season due to the strain on the family. 

I think he goes to TB.

 

[Corn Flake]

Brodeur?  You never know...

 

[L K]

Didn't Luongo marry a Florida native? I'm pretty sure he did. May not mean much but if he asked to be traded, I'd have to believe the Canucks would happily oblige.

I don't know how anyone can gloss over the fact that he is not starting. In the playoffs. This is a huge deal and many players have asked to be traded for lesser slights.

He did, and she still lives there with their kids if I recall correctly.  I remember a couple of years ago he went home for the birth of his kid right before the playoffs started and they ended up losing the games he missed, and didn't make the post season.

There have been rumors that he wants to move back east after this season due to the strain on the family. 

I think he goes to TB.

The thing about Tampa Bay is, who do they have to trade?  Brett Connolly, Richard Panik, and a draft pick?
You have to figure that Vancouver would be looking for current assets to improve their team and Tampa really doesn't have many of them.  Luongo I guess could force their hand and say he isn't going to accept to anywhere other than the State of Florida, but that doesn't really do himself much good.

 

[KW Sluggo]

Tradition?

You know, something that happened once (twice, if you want to stretch the definition of 1st rounder to include prospects drafted in the 1st round), so, clearly, it's a tradition. I mean, it's not like Burke flat out said he won't be trading the Leafs' 1st round pick for a goalie . . . oh wait, he did.

He also said a rebuild would not take 5 years (note: that was his elf imposed limit, not mine) and that he was building from the goal out and, oh yes, something about truculence etc and how his teams don't get run, they run other teams. Then last year at this time he was going to get a centre to play with Kessel.

The chasm between what Burke says and what Burke does dwafs the Grand canyon.

Welcome to Planet Hyperbole...

The word was re-tool and 'not interested' in a five year rebuild but whatever, building from the net out included signing free agents Owuya, Rynnas, Scrivens and Gustavsson while drafting Sparks.

The Leafs defence corp has been changed dramatically since his arrival.

He signed a number of 'truculent' players but Wilson didn't coach like that, wasn't asking for that and the Leafs weren't drafting like that prior to his arrival ( so there wasn't much of it kicking around ) and the free agent market wasn't chock full of it either. He signed Connolly with the notion of playing him on the top line, hedging on Bozak and has drafted fairly 'truculent' so far but they're up the pike as of now.

Now, if you want to say he's made mistakes and has failed to deliver a playoff team so far, fine fair enough, but as far as I can see he's been going about his business pretty much the way he said he would.

So, what was this tradition you were yammering about? If Burke doesn't trade his first round pick for a goalie will it make you happy?

It will only make me happy if he doe not trade it it period.

You are the one who is a stranger to hyperbole, quoting Burke as the Gospel. Not so funny when the litany of Burke's fiction comes back at you.

I would not be citing the signing of Connolly as proof of anything but desperation following failure to acquire a quality centre by any means.

As for Wilson not coaching that way - WTF is that supposed signify?

Who kept Wilson on when it was patently obvious that he was not getting the job done -- and had not been for his entire term here. Take a look at penalty killing, power play, goals against, really any stat o a "built from the blue line out" team.

Take a long hard look at this team's record - if you have the stomach for it -- and then consider the fact that Burke was (and sadly, still is) the GM and he seemed to have no problem with Wilson coaching things his way.

Deal with the facts. The record speaks for itself, it needs no embellishment and no more excuses please .

This team stinks. It has done so since before Burke and it has continued throughout his tenure.

We have traded most of the roster, we have cashiered assistant coaches, we have brought in a team of GMs and we are no further ahead.

Take a seat at the draft and let the scouting staff start to build a team (other than the Marlies).

Burke says he will retool -- that is the problem: this team already has enough tools, it does not need any more.

That includes Roberto Luongo.

 

[ZBBM]

KWS aside, Luongo to the Leafs is more than just a remote possibility.  The Leafs stink?  Yes we do.  But if you have the chance to acquire a top goaltender, you have to at least look interested.  In fact, all rebuilds should start from the net out.

Am I advocating we go out and get Luongo?  Not at any price, but because of his contract the price might not be that high.

 

[maplesyrup]

Man, I'm just so completely lost on Luongo. I have no idea if I like the player or contract, nor do I have the slightest clue what Vancouver's demands might be. 

 

[Zee]

Man, I'm just so completely lost on Luongo. I have no idea if I like the player or contract, nor do I have the slightest clue what Vancouver's demands might be.

I remember when Luongo was regarded as one of the best goalies in the league and the trade was an absolute steal for Vancouver.  Funny how lack of winning the big one has tarnished his image over the years.  He's still a great goalie, but he also plays on a great team now so who knows how he would be behind a porous defense once again?  Maybe his Florida days are behind him or maybe he just plays great with no expectations?  Hard to say with goalies.  A few short years ago Tim Thomas was on waivers and nobody wanted him and then suddenly he's the best goalie in the world.

 

[Omallley]

Man, I'm just so completely lost on Luongo. I have no idea if I like the player or contract, nor do I have the slightest clue what Vancouver's demands might be.

If you believe Canuck fans on his worth, it is pretty low right now. I don't think Luongo's done himself any favours with his play, and that contract is a brutal commitment. From Vancouver's perspective, gaining cap space along (long term at least) is quite valuable.

 

[Kin]

I remember when Luongo was regarded as one of the best goalies in the league and the trade was an absolute steal for Vancouver.  Funny how lack of winning the big one has tarnished his image over the years.

I agree it's funny but probably not in the way you do. I mean, leaving alone that he did win a gold medal in those years, the reality is that in the time span that Luongo's been with the Canucks a bunch of teams have won the cup getting good but not great performances from their good and not great goalies.

Right now Luongo's value is low because he's got the crazy contract, because there's not a world of difference between him and Schneider and because Canucks fans have decided to give him the Sedins, Kesler's and the rest of the forwards share of the blame. I don't think you can fairly look back over the last couple of years and say the reason the Canucks have come up short is Luongo.

 

[rdowdall]

Man, I'm just so completely lost on Luongo. I have no idea if I like the player or contract, nor do I have the slightest clue what Vancouver's demands might be.

If you believe Canuck fans on his worth, it is pretty low right now. I don't think Luongo's done himself any favours with his play, and that contract is a brutal commitment. From Vancouver's perspective, gaining cap space along (long term at least) is quite valuable.

I agree with this.  I don't think his value should be that high.  It shouldn't warrant the Leafs first round pick at 5, or an asset such as Gardiner.

 

[maplesyrup]

Assuming I want him (and I'm not sure I do at the moment.)

Colborne or McKegg + our 2nd round pick + a salary dump (ie. Komi, Connolly, Army.) I don't know, am I even close? Like I said, I'm lost. 

 

[rdowdall]

Assuming I want him (and I'm not sure I do at the moment.)

Colborne or McKegg + our 2nd round pick + a salary dump (ie. Komi, Connolly, Army.) I don't know, am I even close? Like I said, I'm lost.

Not Greg McKegg.  He hasn't played a game yet, so we all can still imagine that he is the diamond in the rough that the Leafs have been searching for.