Goaltending conundrum

[Bullfrog]

Honestly, yes, I would take Scrivens over Gustavsson as a backup. While it's a small sample size, his Sv% in his dozen NHL games last season was slightly better than Gustavsson, and he's been awfully impressive in this Calder Cup run. Since I don't see the Leafs as being Cup contenders next season, I'd be perfectly comfortable sending him out for 25 or so starts to see what he can do

If you're going to use a small sample size, you should also consider Gustavsson's AHL experience, where he got a much higher sv% than Scrivens currently has.

Personally, I'd be fine with either as a backup. While his total body of work isn't super impressive, Gustavsson has shown a high level of play for stretches.

If one goalie has to go to give the other a chance, it's obvious that Scrivens will be the one to stay.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Five goaltenders -- 2 largely unproven (Reimer, Scrivens),
                            1 inconsistent        (Gustavvson),
                            2 raw rookies        (Rynnas, Owuya).

Plenty of choice, plenty of unanswered questions, particularly the first three.  One wonders how a team like the Leafs, with a 'glut' of goaltenders, still do not have the words 'potential' nor 'dependable' written on any one of them.  'Unknown quantities' is more like it.

 

[Zee]

Five goaltenders -- 2 largely unproven (Reimer, Scrivens),
                            1 inconsistent        (Gustavvson),
                            2 raw rookies        (Rynnas, Owuya).

Plenty of choice, plenty of unanswered questions, particularly the first three.  One wonders how a team like the Leafs, with a 'glut' of goaltenders, still do not have the words 'potential' nor 'dependable' written on any one of them.  'Unknown quantities' is more like it.

You would hope one of those bunch would turn into a solid NHL goalie.  Other teams are able to develop their young goalies, surely the Leafs can do it too.

 

[Etiam Vultus]

Five goaltenders -- 2 largely unproven (Reimer, Scrivens),
                            1 inconsistent        (Gustavvson),
                            2 raw rookies        (Rynnas, Owuya).

Plenty of choice, plenty of unanswered questions, particularly the first three.  One wonders how a team like the Leafs, with a 'glut' of goaltenders, still do not have the words 'potential' nor 'dependable' written on any one of them.  'Unknown quantities' is more like it.

You would hope one of those bunch would turn into a solid NHL goalie.  Other teams are able to develop their young goalies, surely the Leafs can do it too.

Your comment raises the question:  When was the last time the Leafs developed an elite goaltender?  Potvin and Palmateer come the closest, but they are not Hall of Fame material.  Is this bad luck? Poor drafting?  Poor development?  Too much pressure in Toronto for a young goalie to handle?  A combination of the above?

 

[Corn Flake]

Five goaltenders -- 2 largely unproven (Reimer, Scrivens),
                            1 inconsistent        (Gustavvson),
                            2 raw rookies        (Rynnas, Owuya).

Plenty of choice, plenty of unanswered questions, particularly the first three.  One wonders how a team like the Leafs, with a 'glut' of goaltenders, still do not have the words 'potential' nor 'dependable' written on any one of them.  'Unknown quantities' is more like it.

You would hope one of those bunch would turn into a solid NHL goalie.  Other teams are able to develop their young goalies, surely the Leafs can do it too.

Other teams do it well, but they have a proven guy in place while the kids get better and prove themselves.  Leave the backup job open for the kids to all fight for and wait until one makes it clear (over a much longer period of time than 35 games... hello Reimer) they are the heir apparent.

 

[bustaheims]

You would hope one of those bunch would turn into a solid NHL goalie.  Other teams are able to develop their young goalies, surely the Leafs can do it too.

Some other teams do, but, most don't. Of the 43 goalies that started 25 or more games, only 16 were drafted by the team they played for. 4 others were brought in from Europe, but, none of them played significant time in their team's minor league system before earning a spot on the NHL roster and only one was under the age of 25 after October of their 1st season.

 

[L K]

I really want to see a format that has Owuya getting more ice-time in the AHL.  His stats were simply great in both the ECHL and AHL and for a guy who is supposedly a little raw, that was really nice to see.  I'm inclined to cut ties with both goalies in the system currently to be honest.  Gustavsson isn't a #1 and while I really like him, I think a fresh start somewhere else is for the best.  As for Reimer, I really don't like how weak his glove hand is.  I think when a goaltender has a massive hole in his game that the long-term prospects are never good.  I think he can be a fine NHL player, but I'm really not convinced that he's going to touch a >.920 SV% again.

 

[drummond]

I really want to see a format that has Owuya getting more ice-time in the AHL.  His stats were simply great in both the ECHL and AHL and for a guy who is supposedly a little raw, that was really nice to see.  I'm inclined to cut ties with both goalies in the system currently to be honest.  Gustavsson isn't a #1 and while I really like him, I think a fresh start somewhere else is for the best.  As for Reimer, I really don't like how weak his glove hand is.  I think when a goaltender has a massive hole in his game that the long-term prospects are never good.  I think he can be a fine NHL player, but I'm really not convinced that he's going to touch a >.920 SV% again.

I agree that the LEafs should pay most of their attention to Owuyas development. This kid can be real deal. Marlies have a solid defence, but what he did in Redding was actually far more impressive as that team  in general sucks

 

[LeafsInSeven]

Signing a veteran goalie as an UFA makes even less sense than a trade for a veteran starter (assuming a goalie goes in the other direction) because I think Scrivens has earned an NHL spot next season.

 

[Redleaf]

Signing a veteran goalie as an UFA makes even less sense than a trade for a veteran starter (assuming a goalie goes in the other direction) because I think Scrivens has earned an NHL spot next season.

I think you cut ties with Rynnas, and bring up Owuya to battle either Scrivens or Reimer for the Marlies starting job next season. If the Leafs land Luongo, they'll have one of the best goaltending foursomes in the AHL and NHL combined next year. A team can never be too deep in goaltending talent. If Burke practices what he preaches and builds from the net out, he still needs to shore up the defense this off season. Shultz wouldn't hurt in that department.

 

[Tigger]

Signing a veteran goalie as an UFA makes even less sense than a trade for a veteran starter (assuming a goalie goes in the other direction) because I think Scrivens has earned an NHL spot next season.

I think you cut ties with Rynnas, and bring up Owuya to battle either Scrivens or Reimer for the Marlies starting job next season. If the Leafs land Luongo, they'll have one of the best goaltending foursomes in the AHL and NHL combined next year. A team can never be too deep in goaltending talent. If Burke practices what he preaches and builds from the net out, he still needs to shore up the defense this off season. Shultz wouldn't hurt in that department.

Why Rynnas?

 

[Redleaf]

Signing a veteran goalie as an UFA makes even less sense than a trade for a veteran starter (assuming a goalie goes in the other direction) because I think Scrivens has earned an NHL spot next season.

I think you cut ties with Rynnas, and bring up Owuya to battle either Scrivens or Reimer for the Marlies starting job next season. If the Leafs land Luongo, they'll have one of the best goaltending foursomes in the AHL and NHL combined next year. A team can never be too deep in goaltending talent. If Burke practices what he preaches and builds from the net out, he still needs to shore up the defense this off season. Shultz wouldn't hurt in that department.

Why Rynnas?

His numbers are the weakest of the 3. He played only 3 more games than Owuya, but let in 21 more goals.

Of the two I think Owuya looks like the better prospect.

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[GhostofPotvin29]

Sample size is too small to really say without scouting the two extensively.

 

[Redleaf]

Sample size is too small to really say without scouting the two extensively.

I agree. Unfortunately sometimes decisions have to be made using small sample sizes. You just have to hope they dont always turn out like the Pogge-Rask debacle.

 

[MBC]

I agree. Unfortunately sometimes decisions have to be made using small sample sizes. You just have to hope they dont always turn out like the Pogge-Rask debacle.

I was talking with one of the Leafs amateur scouts (not Palmateer) in the fall of 2006 about Pogge.  His view was that while Carey Price was going to be a 'good' goalie, Pogge was going to be 'something special'.  It's disappointing how badly the organization missed on that projection.

 

[maplesyrup]

Is this man still employed buy the Leafs?

 

[Tigger]

Sample size is too small to really say without scouting the two extensively.

I agree. Unfortunately sometimes decisions have to be made using small sample sizes. You just have to hope they dont always turn out like the Pogge-Rask debacle.

I can pretty much guarantee that a decision concerning Rynnas from the Leafs brass would not be made based on that data alone, so no, they really don't.

 

[MBC]

Is this man still employed buy the Leafs?

I'm pretty sure he is.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I agree. Unfortunately sometimes decisions have to be made using small sample sizes. You just have to hope they dont always turn out like the Pogge-Rask debacle.

I was talking with one of the Leafs amateur scouts (not Palmateer) in the fall of 2006 about Pogge.  His view was that while Carey Price was going to be a 'good' goalie, Pogge was going to be 'something special'.  It's disappointing how badly the organization missed on that projection.

I still can't understand how the Leafs missed on Pogge that badly. All of his junior success (WHL and WJC) came playing behind stacked defences.

 

[dappleganger]

I'm not a scout by any means by Pogge looked like he was going to be good. He was looking better than Price, imo.

Was there any evidence back before he turned pro that he was not going to be successful?

I think he's a good example of how some players just don't pan out for whatever reason.

see: Daigle, Alexandre.