Goaltending conundrum

[GhostofPotvin29]

Word out of Belleville was the Leafs were quite interested in Subban.  Seems the Leaf's presence at games has been steadily growing as well.

The same word out of Bellville has said the same of Gaunce for a while now too... Trade down from 5 to get Gaunce and then trade back into the late 1st round to get Subban? Oh, the possibilities!

Mediocrity!

 

[maplesyrup]

Word out of Belleville was the Leafs were quite interested in Subban.  Seems the Leaf's presence at games has been steadily growing as well.

The same word out of Bellville has said the same of Gaunce for a while now too... Trade down from 5 to get Gaunce and then trade back into the late 1st round to get Subban? Oh, the possibilities!

Mediocrity!

I've read a comparison of Gaunce to Getzlaf (who was also not drafted in the top 10) so who knows? Mediocrity? I suppose that's the very worse case scenario. 

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Word out of Belleville was the Leafs were quite interested in Subban.  Seems the Leaf's presence at games has been steadily growing as well.

The same word out of Bellville has said the same of Gaunce for a while now too... Trade down from 5 to get Gaunce and then trade back into the late 1st round to get Subban? Oh, the possibilities!

Mediocrity!

I've read a comparison of Gaunce to Getzlaf (who was also not drafted in the top 10) so who knows? Mediocrity? I suppose that's the very worse case scenario.

I had just read (on here I think) that he's more of a 2nd line guy.

And Getzlaf was drafted in probably the deepest draft ever.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

 

[maplesyrup]

Word out of Belleville was the Leafs were quite interested in Subban.  Seems the Leaf's presence at games has been steadily growing as well.

The same word out of Bellville has said the same of Gaunce for a while now too... Trade down from 5 to get Gaunce and then trade back into the late 1st round to get Subban? Oh, the possibilities!

Mediocrity!

I've read a comparison of Gaunce to Getzlaf (who was also not drafted in the top 10) so who knows? Mediocrity? I suppose that's the very worse case scenario.

I had just read (on here I think) that he's more of a 2nd line guy.

And Getzlaf was drafted in probably the deepest draft ever.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

He still went #19 though... A lot of teams passed him over for perhaps the same reason. Anyway, I haven't seen most of these guys actually play so it's all just guess work on my part.

 

[Bullfrog]

I had just read (on here I think) that he's more of a 2nd line guy.

And Getzlaf was drafted in probably the deepest draft ever.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

Wow. That talent that came out of that draft is ridiculous.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I had just read (on here I think) that he's more of a 2nd line guy.

And Getzlaf was drafted in probably the deepest draft ever.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

Wow. That talent that came out of that draft is ridiculous.

Poor Hugh Jessiman.

 

[Zee]

I had just read (on here I think) that he's more of a 2nd line guy.

And Getzlaf was drafted in probably the deepest draft ever.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

Wow. That talent that came out of that draft is ridiculous.

Figures the Leafs didn't have a pick until #57.  You can bring up the first round list, close your eyes and pick a player and you'd have a good shot at getting someone good. 

 

[Deebo]

I had just read (on here I think) that he's more of a 2nd line guy.

And Getzlaf was drafted in probably the deepest draft ever.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

Wow. That talent that came out of that draft is ridiculous.

Figures the Leafs didn't have a pick until #57.  You can bring up the first round list, close your eyes and pick a player and you'd have a good shot at getting someone good.

Our pick was traded to San Jose, they traded up with Boston and took Steve Bernier.

Boston took Mark Stuart with our pick.

 

[hap_leaf]

I had just read (on here I think) that he's more of a 2nd line guy.

And Getzlaf was drafted in probably the deepest draft ever.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

Wow. That talent that came out of that draft is ridiculous.

Figures the Leafs didn't have a pick until #57.  You can bring up the first round list, close your eyes and pick a player and you'd have a good shot at getting someone good.

And future rounds as well.
Halak and Elliot, ninth rounders would unite in St. Louis to possibly win a Cup this year.

Leafs would get future players Phaneuf, MacArthur, Dupuis, Rosehill, Mitchell, Williams and Stempniak.  Mitchell and Williams being the only Leafs drafted by the organization to play for them.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I believe Reimer is young and still has number one goaltending in him. I also believe that his injury played a big part in his poor season.

Of the two goalies that played for us as regulars, I think both could still be a number one, but I'm sure that both won't be with us next season.

I think Reimer has a good skill set and can be a good #1.  The guy is 24 years old and has played a total of 71 games.  Give him a couple of years to learn at the NHL level.  As for Gus, I really don't think he wants to be in Toronto... at least I can't imagine why he'd want to be after this season.

This little clip of Burke's presser:

... I think James Reimer is the real deal, I think we can still plan on him being the number one guy, but we have to look at a guy who gives us more options and performances right from the get-go next year.

I took that to mean that he thinks Reimer will be  the number one guy in the future, not necessarily next year.  I think Burke gets a veteran starter and Reimer is the number 2 guy... with a chance to steal the starter role.  That way he isn't forced into the position and set up to fail.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I took that to mean that he thinks Reimer will be  the number one guy in the future, not necessarily next year.  I think Burke gets a veteran starter and Reimer is the number 2 guy... with a chance to steal the starter role.  That way he isn't forced into the position and set up to fail.

That's probably what happens, but I don't blame the goalies for the collapse this season. Could they have been better? I suppose, but they were always going into this season with less experience, so failure, or not living up to "Toronto" standards, was always a big risk.

At 24, Reims has development time there, so I can't fault Burke if he goes out and lands a veteran to help out until Reimer emerges or falls off and somebody else comes up.

I just feel bad for Goose, as he tried his very best to live up to the mostly, unrealistic expectations on him. At least I saw them as unrealistic at times.

 

[Tigger]

I had just read (on here I think) that he's more of a 2nd line guy.

And Getzlaf was drafted in probably the deepest draft ever.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

Wow. That talent that came out of that draft is ridiculous.

Boy, some of them double dipped too, Nashville with Suter and Weber, Anaheim with Getzlaf and Perry, Chicago got Seabrook and Byfuglien too.

Parise went at 17, Dallas got Eriksson in the second round, oi!

 

[Zee]

I took that to mean that he thinks Reimer will be  the number one guy in the future, not necessarily next year.  I think Burke gets a veteran starter and Reimer is the number 2 guy... with a chance to steal the starter role.  That way he isn't forced into the position and set up to fail.

That's probably what happens, but I don't blame the goalies for the collapse this season. Could they have been better? I suppose, but they were always going into this season with less experience, so failure, or not living up to "Toronto" standards, was always a big risk.

At 24, Reims has development time there, so I can't fault Burke if he goes out and lands a veteran to help out until Reimer emerges or falls off and somebody else comes up.

I just feel bad for Goose, as he tried his very best to live up to the mostly, unrealistic expectations on him. At least I saw them as unrealistic at times.

The one thing I did agree with Burke on was the Reimer head-shot injury.  Burke called it a concussion in the heat of the moment and then later backed off and said it was concussion like symptoms again yesterday.  Maybe without that injury Reimer doesn't go into a season long funk?  We'll never know now.  Unfortunately all the progress he made the previous season seems undone now.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I took that to mean that he thinks Reimer will be  the number one guy in the future, not necessarily next year.  I think Burke gets a veteran starter and Reimer is the number 2 guy... with a chance to steal the starter role.  That way he isn't forced into the position and set up to fail.

That's probably what happens, but I don't blame the goalies for the collapse this season. Could they have been better? I suppose, but they were always going into this season with less experience, so failure, or not living up to "Toronto" standards, was always a big risk.

At 24, Reims has development time there, so I can't fault Burke if he goes out and lands a veteran to help out until Reimer emerges or falls off and somebody else comes up.

I just feel bad for Goose, as he tried his very best to live up to the mostly, unrealistic expectations on him. At least I saw them as unrealistic at times.

The one thing I did agree with Burke on was the Reimer head-shot injury.  Burke called it a concussion in the heat of the moment and then later backed off and said it was concussion like symptoms again yesterday.  Maybe without that injury Reimer doesn't go into a season long funk?  We'll never know now.  Unfortunately all the progress he made the previous season seems undone now.

I think Reimer will come back strong next year and hopefully he stays healthy.  I don't remember who said it but another player who was concussed this year described his comeback with a driving analogy.  He said stepping back into the game is like trying to merge back onto the freeway from a dead stop where everyone is already moving at full speed.  It would be tough to just step back in like nothing happened and pick up where you left off.  Plus with Toronto's defence this year it's hard to imagine even guys like Lundquist and Thomas putting up great numbers behind this team. 

I really hope Carlyle puts a better defensive system into place and that Burke gets some bigger players (forwards) who can run with it.  Our goaltending will be so much better for it.  Even a guy like Komisarek is going to be a much better player with better team defence.  At least I hope so because he really has the potential to bring that physical game we need, and we're probably not getting rid of him. 

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

The one thing I did agree with Burke on was the Reimer head-shot injury.  Burke called it a concussion in the heat of the moment and then later backed off and said it was concussion like symptoms again yesterday.  Maybe without that injury Reimer doesn't go into a season long funk?  We'll never know now.  Unfortunately all the progress he made the previous season seems undone now.

Of course it plays a part, you can't sustain an injury like that and it not affect the team drastically IMO.

Sometimes I think fans hold onto every word that Burke says, so that they can complain about him when his words don't come to fruition, exactly how he said, or hoped they would. IMO, it's not an exact science and when things don't work out as hoped, it's back to the drawing board. I think that's a natural progression, but in Leaf land, it's unacceptable most of the time.

As I said yesterday, some forget that all this youth that has been turned over and brought to the team, needs development time. Some of the kids aren't going to work out as well. I know people don't like to hear about patience and relate the last 45 years as their loyal patience, but these kids are still going to take the time they need to emerge as players.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

I had just read (on here I think) that he's more of a 2nd line guy.

And Getzlaf was drafted in probably the deepest draft ever.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

Wow. That talent that came out of that draft is ridiculous.

Boy, some of them double dipped too, Nashville with Suter and Weber, Anaheim with Getzlaf and Perry, Chicago got Seabrook and Byfuglien too.

Parise went at 17, Dallas got Eriksson in the second round, oi!

And there's Toronto with it's first pick at #57 and they get John Doherty... :'(

 

[caver]

If Burke believes Reimer is a number 1 then he probably does not go after a guy like Halak, but picks up a veteran who is already a back-up like Biron. 

 

[LuncheonMeat]

If Burke believes Reimer is a number 1 then he probably does not go after a guy like Halak, but picks up a veteran who is already a back-up like Biron.

I think he goes with the best goaltender he can get.  He just can't afford to risk having a repeat of this year, and there will always be takers for a #1 if you have 2 of them.

 

[Redleaf]

If Burke believes Reimer is a number 1 then he probably does not go after a guy like Halak, but picks up a veteran who is already a back-up like Biron.

I think he goes for a veteran goalie on Allaires recommendation.

 

[riff raff]

I think it's a bit of a mis-representation to say that Reimer was playing well before the "concussion-like" event.

Yes, he got a shutout in the first game, but there was a lot of luck (and goal posts) involved.

In the second game, he allowed five (5!) goals in the third period.

In fact, all of his games before the "concussion-like" event were against "lesser" opponents. (Gus then got thrown in against the Bruins, Flyers, Rangers and Penguins - the fact he actually won two of those games is stunning).

Burke, and many others, keep pointing to that hit on Reimer as an excuse for his play, but I think there was more to it than that.