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Grabo and Kuli

Frank E said:
I'm pretty sure you guys are roommates...You're right, maybe that comment was a little misleading, that's kind of the pace I thought Kulemin would be on.  I was more wondering if he found his scoring touch of 2010-2011, but I'll give him credit for improving on his production of the past couple of years.
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I think it's pretty safe at this point to call that season an aberration.  Fortunate circumstances and luck can happen (hello Clavid Darkson) in a season, but I think he's more of a 40 point player.  But again that depends on the circumstances he plays in.
 
Nik the Trik said:
bustaheims said:
Considering his lack of PP time and his total ice time, Kulemin's producing pretty well. 40 point pace for a guy who is basically not getting PP time is pretty good.
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With those linemates?
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With the breakdown of TOI with them that Potvin provided, I'd say yes. He's clearly been moved around the lineup quite a bit.
 
So whats the conclusion, do you guys think we should have kept them at prices that NYI paid for them?
 
Deebo said:
So whats the conclusion, do you guys think we should have kept them at prices that NYI paid for them?
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I'm on the fence about it.  Looking at Kulemin's comparables on Capgeek he seems to fit in alright generally.  Grabovski?  I think at the time he signed his original extension with the Leafs I thought it was fine and would be going forward, but then he was with a line that had produced solidly for awhile and was arguably the Leafs best (Grabbo-Kuli-MacArthur).  I think if you kept that line together I would have been okay with the deals because I think they would have continued to be successful.  Now I'm not so sure.
 
bustaheims said:
With the breakdown of TOI with them that Potvin provided, I'd say yes. He's clearly been moved around the lineup quite a bit.
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He's been moved around, sure, but moved around between one center who's top 3 or 5 in the league offensively and another who's pretty good while starting getting 60% of his starts in the offensive zone.

They're not bad numbers, and scoring on the PK will certainly look good regardless, but it's certainly not the kind of offensive production that should make anyone wistful.
 
Nik the Trik said:
He's been moved around, sure, but moved around between one center who's top 3 or 5 in the league offensively and another who's pretty good while starting getting 60% of his starts in the offensive zone.

They're not bad numbers, and scoring on the PK will certainly look good regardless, but it's certainly not the kind of offensive production that should make anyone wistful.
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And no one is being wistful. All we're saying is that a 40 point pace for a 2nd liner who isn't getting PP time is pretty good.
 
Miss you Kuli.

Nikolai Kulemin, N.Y. Islanders: Leaving the Leafs helps a lot of players in this department. Kulemin has gone from a 41-per-cent possession rating to 53 this year with the Isles, who are suddenly one of the top teams in this department in the league. Plenty of ice time with John Tavares has certainly been part of Kulemin?s rise.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/mirtle-low-minute-goons-land-on-the-scrap-heap/article22173475/
 
Potvin29 said:
Miss you Kuli.

Nikolai Kulemin, N.Y. Islanders: Leaving the Leafs helps a lot of players in this department. Kulemin has gone from a 41-per-cent possession rating to 53 this year with the Isles, who are suddenly one of the top teams in this department in the league. Plenty of ice time with John Tavares has certainly been part of Kulemin?s rise.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/mirtle-low-minute-goons-land-on-the-scrap-heap/article22173475/
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Well so what.  Leafs have Clarkson.
 
Potvin29 said:
Miss you Kuli.

Nikolai Kulemin, N.Y. Islanders: Leaving the Leafs helps a lot of players in this department. Kulemin has gone from a 41-per-cent possession rating to 53 this year with the Isles, who are suddenly one of the top teams in this department in the league. Plenty of ice time with John Tavares has certainly been part of Kulemin?s rise.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/mirtle-low-minute-goons-land-on-the-scrap-heap/article22173475/
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Still though, only a 32 point pace.
 
Guru Tugginmypuddah said:
Potvin29 said:
Miss you Kuli.

Nikolai Kulemin, N.Y. Islanders: Leaving the Leafs helps a lot of players in this department. Kulemin has gone from a 41-per-cent possession rating to 53 this year with the Isles, who are suddenly one of the top teams in this department in the league. Plenty of ice time with John Tavares has certainly been part of Kulemin?s rise.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/mirtle-low-minute-goons-land-on-the-scrap-heap/article22173475/
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Well so what.  Leafs have Clarkson.
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At their respective salaries I'd pass on both.
 
Frank E said:
Potvin29 said:
Miss you Kuli.

Nikolai Kulemin, N.Y. Islanders: Leaving the Leafs helps a lot of players in this department. Kulemin has gone from a 41-per-cent possession rating to 53 this year with the Isles, who are suddenly one of the top teams in this department in the league. Plenty of ice time with John Tavares has certainly been part of Kulemin?s rise.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/mirtle-low-minute-goons-land-on-the-scrap-heap/article22173475/
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Still though, only a 32 point pace.
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Not really an issue when the team is performing so well.  It's good to see he's not a drag playing with an elite player.

EDIT: And to add - a lot of it is usage/teammates of course.  But it hopefully goes to the idea that certain players can't be good possession players on the Leafs.  They can.

Mirtle also posted a list of most improved possession #'s from last season - Kulemin is 1st, Liles and Gleason also on the list.  8)
 
So, what are we Leafs fans supposed to do, cry?

Kulemin, Liles, Gleason...good luck to them.
As for Clarkson, this season so far, he seems to be doing better.

As for Mirtle, does he have to always 'rub it in'?!

P.S.  Anytime someone is paired with Tavares, one's bount to play well.
 
hockeyfan1 said:
So, what are we Leafs fans supposed to do, cry?

Kulemin, Liles, Gleason...good luck to them.
As for Clarkson, this season so far, he seems to be doing better.
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Better as in how the flu is better than Ebola though.

hockeyfan1 said:
As for Mirtle, does he have to always 'rub it in'?!
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I don't think he's rubbing it in. Just pointing out simple facts. Some people keep saying it must be the players' fault that the Leafs play a crap possession game. Well, if they can play a better possession game elsewhere... This strongly implies the fact it's a coaching issue.

hockeyfan1 said:
P.S.  Anytime someone is paired with Tavares, one's bount to play well.
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I don't think this is necessarily true. How many people did we put with Sundin over the years who dragged his production down?
 
Arn said:
I don't think this is necessarily true. How many people did we put with Sundin over the years who dragged his production down?
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But the implication is that it's Tavares helping Kulemin, not the other way around. Hoglund, who's the most cited of the kind of Leafs winger you're talking about, went from 8 goals and 18 points the year before joining the Leafs to 29 goals and 56 points on Sundin's wing. So Sundin/Tavares production might have been dragged down(and Tavares' scoring is down) but Kulemin/Hoglund's is likely to go up.
 
Fair point - so I guess the question is is the increase in production by Player X (Hoglund) enough to make up for the decline in Player Y (Sundin)

Hadn't thought of it that way, fair enough!
 
Tavares is also coming off a major injury.  Stamkos' scoring is also slightly down, I'd imagine for both of them there is some adjustment.

But I think it also speaks to points, while obviously really important, not being the be-all, end-all (not that anyone is necessarily claiming they are).  But teams can afford down ticks in offensive production by certain players if the team is stronger.  I can't comment on Kulemin in NYI much but maybe he is providing something on that line that is helping the team even if not showing up on the scoresheet - I don't know.
 
Potvin29 said:
Boston Leaf said:
i could care less about any ex leafs.. they are gone and its over...
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The Ex-Leafs section of the forum may not be for you then.
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Unless he was literal about the 'could care less' comment which means he does actually care...
 
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