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Horachek's impact on the team

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/24/leafs-should-look-after-horachek-when-season-ends

I don't normally read the Sun, but it was recommended reading.

Peter Horachek is what you would call a good soldier.

A guy who takes orders, doesn?t complain, and does his job no matter what the consequences.

When Randy Carlyle was fired as the Maple Leafs head coach on Jan. 6 (after the Leafs lost seven of their last 10 games), Horachek was promoted to interim head coach. An appointment that has turned out to be a career-killing move for the Stoney Creek, Ont., native.

Even though the Leafs were in a position to make a run at the playoffs at the time of Carlyle?s firing, there was already talk of tanking and certain key players had prematurely pulled the chute. The Leafs were undoubtedly on a downward trajectory and there were disturbing signs that many of the team?s veterans were weary of playing hard every game or providing any sort of leadership.

Making matters even more complex, Horachek was charged with the task of teaching this team of freeloaders and lolly-gaggers some defence, to implement some sort of defensive principles into the system. As a result, goal-scoring went into the tank, though, by most accounts, defence has tightened since the departure of Carlyle. Still, when you don?t score, you don?t win.

For Horachek, it was basically a no-win situation. By agreeing to guide the Leafs through the rest of the 2014-15 campaign ? a team that was already nose-diving ? Horachek essentially cut his own throat in terms of any future employment as an NHL head coach. It?s almost certain he?ll never be one again. His record since taking over the Leafs is 6-25-3.

And then when the Toronto front office made the decision earlier this year to start the rebuild in earnest (which will no doubt carry into the off-season) ? which included getting rid of veterans for kids and draft picks ? it became almost certain that the losses would continue no matter what kind of a job Horachek did behind the bench.

But no matter what you think of the job Horachek has done, you have to believe that man deserves to be looked after by the Leafs when the season is over given the thankless task he inherited. The organization should find this man a gig in the front office or put him back behind the bench as an assistant, if that?s what he wants.

He deserves it.

There?s no doubt that the Leafs will fire Horachek as head coach after the season. But given his hard work and the fact that he has done so without complaint (he looks like he hasn?t slept for three months), he deserves more consideration than just being left at the side of the proverbial curb. After all, who?s going to ever hire this dude again as a NHL head coach? As that annoying furniture guy bellows: ?Nooooooobody!?

Which is sad, because Horachek is a career coach, starting his work behind the bench way back in 1987 as an assistant with the Saginaw Hawks in the IHL. Since then, he?s coached in Flint, Nashville (of the ECHL), St. Thomas, Flint again, Orlando, Trenton, Milwaukee, Nashville (of the NHL), San Antonio, Florida, and finally the Leafs. He served as an NHL head coach once before (with the Florida Panthers). Coaching is what the man does. But Horachek, took a bullet for this franchise and almost certainly sabotaged his own career as a future head man in the NHL in the process. For that he deserves to be looked after.

The Sun sent a request to Leafs president Brendan Shanahan to ask if there are plans to do something for Horachek after the season ends ? with the understanding that he won?t be back as the head coach. Steve Keogh, the Leafs director of media relations, responded that management won?t address any future plans until after the season is over, which is typical of the closed-lipped Shanahan. Keogh, though, added: ?However, it is fair to say that management has been extremely impressed with Peter Horachek the man, and the way he has battled through this. His strength of character and resolve is on display through this difficult period.?

A statement, while not attributed to anyone specifically, no doubt reflects Shanahan?s stand. Hopefully that means that Horachek, the good soldier, will get his due when the carnage has ended.

I don't blame Horachek for much of this mess. The previous coaches had mandates to win, so they never paid much attention to developing the players to become a team that played to win sustainably. So Horachek gets to wear the noose for that accumulation of bad habits. Horachek tried to get the team's leadership on-side early by elevating their roles. It didn't work (maybe because those players just weren't up to the task).

Losing all the good influences at the deadline (Santorelli, Winnik) and to injury (Polak, Robidas), in addition to legitimate trade talk around your top talent that just doesn't quite make it through would sink any team.

The end result will be a top 5 pick in a generational draft year and a lot of chaff separated in the off season, which is a better long-term result than I could've hoped for coming into this season.
 
That's basically my feeling - Horachek came in with a mandate to impose the possession/defense-based system in order to weed out the players worth keeping. Shanahan basically told the players the same thing ("we'll be watching" or words to that effect). Players responded for a while, then when they didn't get results they revealed their true character by giving up.

I suspect every effort will be made to trade off the core (Kessel, JVR, Bozak, Lupul in particular). It may not all happen by the start of the season, but I believe they'll all be gone within a year or two. Hopefully some for 1st rounders this year.
 
Frank E said:
They still have to ice a team next year, so it behooves the Leafs to determine who is able to handle the pressure of playing through a losing season.

They can't trade the whole roster, or at least that's not really feasible.  And even if it were, it's not like the Leafs just have a whole team of losers that will never be successful NHLers in their defined roles.

Except I think those decisions are largely made regardless. Most of the big ticket players on the team are either going to be dealt or the team would like to deal and most of those decisions were made based on the more important question of what works best for the rebuild as opposed to who won't be a drag while the team is rebuilding.

Then there are the guys who are almost certain to be back next year like Holland, Komarov, Rielly and so on. There are a few guys in the middle, sure, but for the most part we're talking about decisions that are going to be made independent of what's gone on the last two months.
 
Horacheck's not going to come back as an assistant. The Leafs, if they're interested in doing things correctly, will let their new head coach choose his own staff.

His work as coach of this team will have to speak for itself. If people look at what he did as kindly as the writer of that article and the above posters do, he'll be fine.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Frank E said:
They still have to ice a team next year, so it behooves the Leafs to determine who is able to handle the pressure of playing through a losing season.

They can't trade the whole roster, or at least that's not really feasible.  And even if it were, it's not like the Leafs just have a whole team of losers that will never be successful NHLers in their defined roles.

Except I think those decisions are largely made regardless. Most of the big ticket players on the team are either going to be dealt or the team would like to deal and most of those decisions were made based on the more important question of what works best for the rebuild as opposed to who won't be a drag while the team is rebuilding.

Then there are the guys who are almost certain to be back next year like Holland, Komarov, Rielly and so on. There are a few guys in the middle, sure, but for the most part we're talking about decisions that are going to be made independent of what's gone on the last two months.

Would tend to agree with you here. Management (Shanahan) almost certainly knew that most of the "core" players had to go, but perhaps he had thoughts about keeping one (most likely JVR or Kessel). I think (hope) the results since January have taken care of that.
 
Potvin29 said:
Is there no point trying to pinpoint why certain things occur or why they don't?

That's just it. You can hire guys to keep track of obscure stats and try to change a teams play based on that, but it does nothing to pin point any real problems. If a team doesn't have the puck in the neutral zone enough, knowing that fact doesn't answer why.

Did you miss all the hooplah about the Leafs being bad on paper, years after they were bad on the ice? It was awesome that people were trying to dig deeper, but it amounts to no real solutions.
 
herman said:
Keogh, though, added: ?However, it is fair to say that management has been extremely impressed with Peter Horachek the man, and the way he has battled through this. His strength of character and resolve is on display through this difficult period.?

Probably fair to point out that that statement says absolutely nothing about the actual job that he's done as coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
Keogh, though, added: ?However, it is fair to say that management has been extremely impressed with Peter Horachek the man, and the way he has battled through this. His strength of character and resolve is on display through this difficult period.?

Probably fair to point out that that statement says absolutely nothing about the actual job that he's done as coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

If the Leafs end up winning the draft lottery they need to reward Horachek with a $12M exit bonus.
 
I've been impressed with certain aspects of his coaching, but he strikes me as more of an assistant coach (more focuses training, teaching with individuals). He always faces the music at the end of the night like a trooper (albeit now quite beleaguered).

However, he doesn't seem to manage personalities well and doesn't yet have the cachet to bench top dollar players without. He's not very creative with lineups either. Much of what he has tried to do is obfuscated by half the team phoning in their play, and yet he keeps going back to those same phoner-in-ers to start the games.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
Keogh, though, added: ?However, it is fair to say that management has been extremely impressed with Peter Horachek the man, and the way he has battled through this. His strength of character and resolve is on display through this difficult period.?

Probably fair to point out that that statement says absolutely nothing about the actual job that he's done as coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

I'm not so sure. If those words and the story behind them are accurate, those words suggest the Leafs management's perception of what Horachek did or tried to do as coach and their experience with him was a positive one. They are not the kind of words you'd expect to see about a person they thought did a lousy job as their coach. They volunteered those words of praise. They didn't have to say them - they could have said 'wait until the end of the season' and left it at that.

I'd acknowledge the false vote of confidence coaches sometimes get but for all intents and purposes, the season is effectively over. That serves no significant purpose here so I don't think it's anything to do with that. And because they make reference to the challenges he faced, they're saying more than he's merely a nice guy.

Don't care to get into a big food fight over that interpretation. Obviously, the terrible on ice results during Horachek's time as head coach are beyond debate. But why those results came about and who is responsible for them certainly isn't beyond debate on this site or elsewhere.

I would suggest those words might be some further evidence or indication that some in MLSE management may have already ended their debate not feeling the same way about the players who wouldn't make the consistent effort to go along with Horachek's program. Because if they thought the way they seem to about Horachek's coaching, expressed by those words, then in their minds, the responsibility for their on ice results coming up short must be carried more by others.

I'm not saying it's an indication they'll bring Horachek back next season. It's closer to an indication/confirmation they're going to hold others accountable for what has happened. Given the on ice results and this is the 3rd NHL coach for this core, that's not exactly a shock. I don't think I need to name who I think will be the 1st, 2nd & 3rd stars of that ugly game. Those words are a little preview. There's going to be a reckoning.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
Keogh, though, added: ?However, it is fair to say that management has been extremely impressed with Peter Horachek the man, and the way he has battled through this. His strength of character and resolve is on display through this difficult period.?

Probably fair to point out that that statement says absolutely nothing about the actual job that he's done as coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Exactly. If they didn't have high opinions of Horacheck as a man he wouldn't have been hired on as an assistant coach or given the interim job in the first place. Reaffirming that doesn't mean much in terms of what he's done with it.
 
Nik the Trik said:
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
Keogh, though, added: ?However, it is fair to say that management has been extremely impressed with Peter Horachek the man, and the way he has battled through this. His strength of character and resolve is on display through this difficult period.?

Probably fair to point out that that statement says absolutely nothing about the actual job that he's done as coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Exactly. If they didn't have high opinions of Horacheck as a man he wouldn't have been hired on as an assistant coach or given the interim job in the first place. Reaffirming that doesn't mean much in terms of what he's done with it.

To me that's like the classic case of a girl saying "... you're a great guy, but...".

*holds back tears*
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Nik the Trik said:
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
Keogh, though, added: ?However, it is fair to say that management has been extremely impressed with Peter Horachek the man, and the way he has battled through this. His strength of character and resolve is on display through this difficult period.?

Probably fair to point out that that statement says absolutely nothing about the actual job that he's done as coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Exactly. If they didn't have high opinions of Horacheck as a man he wouldn't have been hired on as an assistant coach or given the interim job in the first place. Reaffirming that doesn't mean much in terms of what he's done with it.

To me that's like the classic case of a girl saying "... you're a great guy, but...".

*holds back tears*

but what?
 

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