Hurricanes @ Leafs - Oct. 26th, 7:00pm - SNO, Fan 590

[rdowdall]

Because of time on ice.  Goals would get prorated for a full game.

I believe herm was referring to the fact that the EV, PP, and SH goal totals didn't add up to the 12 GA that the table showed. The answer to that problem is because one of the goals against was on a penalty shot.

Ah my bad.  Sorry.

 

[Kin]

Shouldn't penalty shot goals count as even strength goals?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Shouldn't penalty shot goals count as even strength goals?

I believe officially they are, hockey-reference just didn't pick it up like that.

 

[Kin]

Shouldn't penalty shot goals count as even strength goals?

I believe officially they are, hockey-reference just didn't pick it up like that.

HR is a good site but they sure make some odd mistakes.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Shouldn't penalty shot goals count as even strength goals?

I believe officially they are, hockey-reference just didn't pick it up like that.

Even if the team with the Penalty shot is already up/down a man.  ie, Hyman gets a SH breakaway, gets hauled down leading to penalty shot, scores on Penalty shot... isn't it a shorthanded goal?

 

[Kin]

Even if the team with the Penalty shot is already up/down a man.  ie, Hyman gets a SH breakaway, gets hauled down leading to penalty shot, scores on Penalty shot... isn't it a shorthanded goal?

I mean, the actual goal is scored with one player on the ice for either team.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Even if the team with the Penalty shot is already up/down a man.  ie, Hyman gets a SH breakaway, gets hauled down leading to penalty shot, scores on Penalty shot... isn't it a shorthanded goal?

I mean, the actual goal is scored with one player on the ice for either team.

Nah, Coco's right. It'll be classified as whatever the game state was when the whistle was blown. Checked a couple of short-handed penalty shot goals to confirm.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Even if the team with the Penalty shot is already up/down a man.  ie, Hyman gets a SH breakaway, gets hauled down leading to penalty shot, scores on Penalty shot... isn't it a shorthanded goal?

I mean, the actual goal is scored with one player on the ice for either team.

If you count the goalie as a player, yes indeed.

Are goals scored with the goalie pulled (ie 6-on-5) considered even strength goals?  I know they aren't in advanced stats, but what does the NHL put them under? 

 

[Kin]

Nah, Coco's right. It'll be classified as whatever the game state was when the whistle was blown. Checked a couple of short-handed penalty shot goals to confirm.

I'm not saying what is but what should be. I'm getting very philosophical.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Doesn't the other team's goalie stand on the other side of the ice and watch? I'm just kidding, that other goalie can't do anything. It should be even strength. If the goalie is pulled so it's a '6 on 5' that's still even strength, because really it's 6 on 6.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Doesn't the other team's goalie stand on the other side of the ice and watch? I'm just kidding, that other goalie can't do anything. It should be even strength. If the goalie is pulled so it's a '6 on 5' that's still even strength, because really it's 6 on 6.

I looked it up and goals scored with the goalie pulled are considered even strength by the league unless of course a man advantage was already in place when the goalie was pulled.

https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/11/01/behind-the-numbers-why-plusminus-is-the-worst-statistic-in-hockey-and-should-be-abolished/

 

[herman]

Pretty easily solved by filing it under another column of (in-game) Penalty Shots. They're tracking Shoot Out metrics already (that no one really cares about).

Thank you all for helping me solve this urgent math mystery.

 

[disco]

GO LEAFS GO

 

[disco]

I have the Nic Cage youtube link if anyone requires it.

 

[iwas11in67]

GO LEAFS GO!!

 

[ZBBM]

And ... the puny CAR offense scores.

 

[ZBBM]

And ... the puny CAR offense scores.

And AGAIN.  Our defense is awful.

 

[Damian]

This is going well...lol

 

[bustaheims]

Ruh roh. Defensive zone issues strike again.

 

[herman]

Red team + herman not watching = oops