Hyman Signed

[Zee]

We're at 48/50 SPCs before Brown signs. I'm pretty sure we're going to shed some roster spots.

Still waiting on the JVR/Komarov shoe to drop in a trade.

 

[Kin]

Two things about this deal that make me not dislike it as much as some:

1. Try to look at it removed from the current context of the Leafs having way too many forwards than there are roster spots. Yes, right now it looks like 2.25 million for what might be the 5th or 6th best option at LW on the team but what will the team probably look like in that third year?

X-Matthews-Marner
X-Kadri-Brown
X-Nylander-Kapanen
X-X-X

The team is probably moving on from Komarov and JVR and Marleau probably won't be around. The team doesn't have much in the way of surefire LW prospects and they probably won't have the money to go out and spend on Marleau the way they did this year. So Hyman, as someone who you can put on a scoring line as a bit of a defensive conscience or a shutdown line, could be pretty useful in trying to cobble together 4 decent LW.

2. Being as the team may be moving on from a lot of guys who are well regarded veterans in the near future there may be an intangible benefit in keeping a bunch of the guys who came up together all relatively happy with their deals and together. Given the difference between what Hyman got and what would be a number I don't think anyone would side-eye is relatively small it seems like something not worth exaggerating.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I thought this was an excellent breakdown of the deal.

https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/06/paying-the-small-price-for-utility/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[mr grieves]

There's a chance Hyman's box stats gets a boost from playing against weaker competition if he's lower on the lineup. His 6% sh% is characteristically lower than his career would suggest. He had that explosive senior year with Michigan where he was probably in an overmatch position to succeed and did so.

How do you conclude that 6% SH% is lower than his career would suggest?  He only had 16 other games before last season.  Maybe 6% is what he shoots?  (in 98 career games now he's 7.3%)

He is shooting consistently from high danger areas, and really his only shooting problem was that he was too close at times, due to skating into the pile with his head down. I don't have corsica's numbers available now, but during the year, he was consistently underperforming his xGF.

When he was on the PK, he didn't go as deep, and in transition plays, he showed capable hands. I think he can be better when he's not playing a deferential top line role on his off wing with players that think faster than he does.

I remember seeing those xGF numbers too. And I've certainly picked out guys I liked and credited them with the goals they "earned" but didn't, y'know, actually score (just luck). But isn't it also possible that a player underperforming his xGF means he just might not have an NHL-calibre shot?

 

[herman]

I remember seeing those xGF numbers too. And I've certainly picked out guys I liked and credited them with the goals they "earned" but didn't, y'know, actually score (just luck). But isn't it also possible that a player underperforming his xGF means he just might not have an NHL-calibre shot?

You don't need an NHL-calibre shot to score if you consistently park your butt in the right spots (see Kadri). Like I said in the bolded part, his problem was simply being in too tight and not being ready for passes from hockey savants.

 

[KadriFan]

It's a shame Lou and Babcock aren't as good at their jobs as you guys.  Geez....

Nothing wrong in questioning how a guy got as much money and term as he did.  Hyman isn't exactly a proven player, he's had 1 full season, played with the best player the organization has had in 20 years and only managed 10 goals.  I hazard to guess that someone like Kapanen could have produced way more had he been planted beside Matthews all year long.  Guys like Hyman actually do grow on trees.

It's not always about goals and assists.  I'm not so sure players like Hyman do grow on trees.  guys who play hard every shift and win those little battles in places many tend to shy away from are quite rare.  Many are saying his production is due to playing with Matthews.  I wonder what Matthews would say.  Personally I think him, Matthews and nylander make the perfect line.  Each brings something different and it all fits together perfectly. 

 

[Kin]

guys who play hard every shift and win those little battles in places many tend to shy away from are quite rare.

Nah. You can recognize the value of a good grinder while still acknowledging that they're available every year as UFA's. Look at the swapping out of Boyle, who's like that, for Moore, who's also like that.

 

[herman]

https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/06/why-you-shouldnt-be-too-worried-about-zach-hymans-scoring-touch/

Jeff, are you reading this thread?

Thanks for doing the data scrape for me.

 

[KadriFan]

guys who play hard every shift and win those little battles in places many tend to shy away from are quite rare.

Nah. You can recognize the value of a good grinder while still acknowledging that they're available every year as UFA's. Look at the swapping out of Boyle, who's like that, for Moore, who's also like that.

And every line needs one. that guy who does what it takes to get the stars the puck.  Love Hyman...good signing. 

 

[TimKerr]

guys who play hard every shift and win those little battles in places many tend to shy away from are quite rare.

Nah. You can recognize the value of a good grinder while still acknowledging that they're available every year as UFA's. Look at the swapping out of Boyle, who's like that, for Moore, who's also like that.

And every line needs one. that guy who does what it takes to get the stars the puck.  Love Hyman...good signing.

So you'd rather have Hyman on that line with Matthews and Nylander than Marleau?

 

[Kin]

And every line needs one. that guy who does what it takes to get the stars the puck. 

Nah. Most teams in the league get by just fine without an offensively limited grinder on their top line. Stars, as a general rule, tend to be pretty good at getting the puck themselves.

Heck, look no further than the Bozak line last year.

 

[KadriFan]

guys who play hard every shift and win those little battles in places many tend to shy away from are quite rare.

Nah. You can recognize the value of a good grinder while still acknowledging that they're available every year as UFA's. Look at the swapping out of Boyle, who's like that, for Moore, who's also like that.

And every line needs one. that guy who does what it takes to get the stars the puck.  Love Hyman...good signing.

So you'd rather have Hyman on that line with Matthews and Nylander than Marleau?

If it's not broke why fix it.  That line did pretty well last season. Will be interesting to see what Babcock wants. I think JVR or Komerov gets traded and Marleau takes that spot. Like everyone else though I'm guessing

 

[KadriFan]

And every line needs one. that guy who does what it takes to get the stars the puck. 

Nah. Most teams in the league get by just fine without an offensively limited grinder on their top line. Stars, as a general rule, tend to be pretty good at getting the puck themselves.

Heck, look no further than the Bozak line last year.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what Babcock decides. 

 

[Bender]

guys who play hard every shift and win those little battles in places many tend to shy away from are quite rare.

Nah. You can recognize the value of a good grinder while still acknowledging that they're available every year as UFA's. Look at the swapping out of Boyle, who's like that, for Moore, who's also like that.

And every line needs one. that guy who does what it takes to get the stars the puck.  Love Hyman...good signing.

So you'd rather have Hyman on that line with Matthews and Nylander than Marleau?

If it's not broke why fix it.  That line did pretty well last season. Will be interesting to see what Babcock wants. I think JVR or Komerov gets traded and Marleau takes that spot. Like everyone else though I'm guessing

I think 10 goals on a top line is broke.

 

[KadriFan]

guys who play hard every shift and win those little battles in places many tend to shy away from are quite rare.

Nah. You can recognize the value of a good grinder while still acknowledging that they're available every year as UFA's. Look at the swapping out of Boyle, who's like that, for Moore, who's also like that.

And every line needs one. that guy who does what it takes to get the stars the puck.  Love Hyman...good signing.

So you'd rather have Hyman on that line with Matthews and Nylander than Marleau?

If it's not broke why fix it.  That line did pretty well last season. Will be interesting to see what Babcock wants. I think JVR or Komerov gets traded and Marleau takes that spot. Like everyone else though I'm guessing

I think 10 goals on a top line is broke.

Goal scoring won't be a problem either way

 

[Kin]

And every line needs one. that guy who does what it takes to get the stars the puck. 

Nah. Most teams in the league get by just fine without an offensively limited grinder on their top line. Stars, as a general rule, tend to be pretty good at getting the puck themselves.

Heck, look no further than the Bozak line last year.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what Babcock decides.

Nah. I don't really think I need to wait for Babcock's input on whether or not Saad-Toews-Hossa was a successful line.

 

[KadriFan]

And every line needs one. that guy who does what it takes to get the stars the puck. 

Nah. Most teams in the league get by just fine without an offensively limited grinder on their top line. Stars, as a general rule, tend to be pretty good at getting the puck themselves.

Heck, look no further than the Bozak line last year.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what Babcock decides.

Nah. I don't really think I need to wait for Babcock's input on whether or not Saad-Toews-Hossa was a successful line.

Well I doubt Babcock cares one way or the other wether they played well together.  Like I said, we will have to wait to see who he puts on his top line. 

 

[Kin]

Well I doubt Babcock cares one way or the other wether they played well together. 

Suggesting that Babcock doesn't care about how really successful teams are put together feels like a harsher indictment of him and his decision making than the mere suggestion that he's capable of making bad decisions.

 

[Bill_Berg]

I have my doubts that Hyman will be on the top line next year. I bet he got that contract because Babcock likes him and he's a good utility type player that kills penalties and can be fit in up and down the line up. Sure there are others like him, but I doubt the ones at prime age sign for much less than Hyman did. I'm fine with the signing overall.

 

[freer]

I have my doubts that Hyman will be on the top line next year. I bet he got that contract because Babcock likes him and he's a good utility type player that kills penalties and can be fit in up and down the line up. Sure there are others like him, but I doubt the ones at prime age sign for much less than Hyman did. I'm fine with the signing overall.

Finally someone agrees...