Hypothetical: If the Leafs blow it up...

[Fanatic]

It's that time of the year again..... some will cling to the notion that this team is somehow better than last year or the year before and try to see value in making the playoffs. *sigh* *sigh again*

Blow it up and do it now and drop in the standings as far as you can. I would sell off just about everything and start (finally) the uncomfortable process of building from the ground up.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Back on topic, outside of some very sneaky genius ninja trades, I think we'll have to tread a bit of water to wind down some bad contracts before they are more moveable. We still need enough players in the parent club to shelter the kids in development, so that's where I see those bad contracts fitting.

I'd say there's really only one truly unmoveable contract on the team right now, and that's Clarkson's. The rest aren't so bad that no team would be willing to take them on. The issue there is that the Leafs likely wouldn't receive full value for the player they're moving out, but, depending on the direction the team chooses to take, that may not be the end of the world. Freeing up the cap space and the roster spots has value.

Clarkson and Robidas are unmovable IMO.

Lupul, Phaneuf and Gardiner are guys that would be hard to get full value on.

Polak and Winnik are probably more valuable to the team than what little they'd return in a trade.

Franson, Santorelli and Bozak are guys that should be worth close to full value.

JVR and Kessel should be movable at full value.

Rielly, Kadri and Bernier should be kept.

Everyone else are spare parts.

 

[ZBBM]

It's that time of the year again..... some will cling to the notion that this team is somehow better than last year or the year before and try to see value in making the playoffs. *sigh* *sigh again*

Blow it up and do it now and drop in the standings as far as you can. I would sell off just about everything and start (finally) the uncomfortable process of building from the ground up.

Just want to say that the process won't be uncomfortable. We've already gotten comfy with not making the playoffs.

 

[Redleaf]

I'm just interested in seeing if there is a Shanaplan, and how many more of these in sufferable losses can he take before he puts it into action. He has to be chomping at the bit by now...

 

[bustaheims]

Clarkson and Robidas are unmovable IMO.

Robidas has two more years @ $3M. I don't think that's unmovable at all. They Leafs won't get great value for him, but, a team with better defensive depth that can manage his minutes and situations better than the Leafs could see good value in him. He hasn't been great, but he hasn't provided awful value, either. His age is a concern, but, the fact that it's a short and relatively inexpensive contract helps mitigate that.

 

[Lynx]

Clarkson and Robidas are unmovable IMO.

Robidas has two more years @ $3M. I don't think that's unmovable at all. They Leafs won't get great value for him, but, a team with better defensive depth that can manage his minutes and situations better than the Leafs could see good value in him. He hasn't been great, but he hasn't provided awful value, either. His age is a concern, but, the fact that it's a short and relatively inexpensive contract helps mitigate that.

If the return on Robidas is virtually nothing he's a guy they should maybe keep during the rebuild. Somebody has to play against teams top lines and throwing a guy like Rielly to the wolves won't help his development.

There's also the cap floor to keep in mind if the idea is to jettison everyone, and having a couple vets around might help prevent what's happening in Edmonton.

All that changes though if somebody offers a second or third round pick of course.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Clarkson and Robidas are unmovable IMO.

Robidas has two more years @ $3M. I don't think that's unmovable at all. They Leafs won't get great value for him, but, a team with better defensive depth that can manage his minutes and situations better than the Leafs could see good value in him. He hasn't been great, but he hasn't provided awful value, either. His age is a concern, but, the fact that it's a short and relatively inexpensive contract helps mitigate that.

Since the last collapse in the late Fall I have found Robidas has been playing quite well for a 4th dman.  I figure that at $3.0 MIL he would be a solid 4th dman on a team and he is RH which is a plus.  On the 3rd pairing he would be great.  Dallas reported that he was great in the locker room as well.  Almost like a player coach.  So like Lynx mentioned Robidas might be good to keep through the rebuild.

I feel that if the Leafs kept 20% of Clarkson's contract he would be  acceptable to other teams. $4.2 for a gritty RH forward that scores 15 goals a year might be attractive as an overpriced 3rd liner.

 

[caver]

I like how what Holland says is in stark contrast to all of those GMs who say "We think it's really important for a player to get to the NHL before he's ready because, ultimately, we don't really care about developing prospects when we can squeeze an extra win or two out of a season".

Joe Thornton, folks.

X2

 

[Zee]

The only allure for a big name coach to come to Toronto and do a full rebuild would be the potential to be known as "THE ONE".  The coach that finally got the Leafs to a Stanley Cup title.  Provided the coach gets the assurance that he can start with the rebuild and stick it out long-term, I'm thinking Babcock here. If he's regarded as the best, what better feather in his cap then to come to Toronto and do the seemingly impossible task of making the Leafs into a champion. 

Of course, many things would have to be fixed before any coach can do this.  Drafting and development for one, the Leafs need to be better in both areas.  Also no major screw-ups by the GM in long term UFA contracts like Clarkson. 

Given all that, I can see a Stanley Cup in Toronto in the next 10 years, I'll be 55, still young enough to enjoy it.

Thank you and make this happen please:

 

[Highlander]

He will always be Dubois to me?LOL?just got back and read CTB post.

 

[Tigger]

Back on topic, outside of some very sneaky genius ninja trades, I think we'll have to tread a bit of water to wind down some bad contracts before they are more moveable. We still need enough players in the parent club to shelter the kids in development, so that's where I see those bad contracts fitting.

I'd say there's really only one truly unmoveable contract on the team right now, and that's Clarkson's. The rest aren't so bad that no team would be willing to take them on. The issue there is that the Leafs likely wouldn't receive full value for the player they're moving out, but, depending on the direction the team chooses to take, that may not be the end of the world. Freeing up the cap space and the roster spots has value.

I wonder about New Jersey, it's not very likely but that might, miiiiiight be an option.

 

[Tigger]

Back on topic, outside of some very sneaky genius ninja trades, I think we'll have to tread a bit of water to wind down some bad contracts before they are more moveable. We still need enough players in the parent club to shelter the kids in development, so that's where I see those bad contracts fitting.

I'd say there's really only one truly unmoveable contract on the team right now, and that's Clarkson's. The rest aren't so bad that no team would be willing to take them on. The issue there is that the Leafs likely wouldn't receive full value for the player they're moving out, but, depending on the direction the team chooses to take, that may not be the end of the world. Freeing up the cap space and the roster spots has value.

Clarkson and Robidas are unmovable IMO.

Lupul, Phaneuf and Gardiner are guys that would be hard to get full value on.

Polak and Winnik are probably more valuable to the team than what little they'd return in a trade.

Franson, Santorelli and Bozak are guys that should be worth close to full value.

JVR and Kessel should be movable at full value.

Rielly, Kadri and Bernier should be kept.

Everyone else are spare parts.

If we're looking deadline versus offseason, Franson, Santorelli and perhaps Reimer might be the best deadline candidates ( Winnik too but he may be more valuable to the Leafs on a reasonable contract ), players with more term are more likely to go in the offseason. I'll be suitably impressed if the Leafs moved Franson at the deadline and Phaneuf in the offseason. Other offseason candidates include Lupul and maybe Bozak. Gardiner could be there as well but he has significant upside so I'd be loathe to trade him as mere cap clearance.

Robidas is fine, they could move him but I think he's a valuable mentor. JVR and Kessel are great complimentary pieces that could net a ton of return but will likely stay.

Yeah, keep Rielly, Kadri and Bernier barring absolute treasure. 

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Kyper on twitter claiming the Avs are putting out feelers regarding O'Reilly and are seeking D help.

He has the Sabres and Leafs showing interest.

Phaneuf for O'Reilly?

 

[nutman]

Kyper on twitter claiming the Avs are putting out feelers regarding O'Reilly and are seeking D help.

He has the Sabres and Leafs showing interest.

Phaneuf for O'Reilly?

Now thats a deal i would jump at.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I would love to have O'Reilly.

 

[Andy007]

Kyper on twitter claiming the Avs are putting out feelers regarding O'Reilly and are seeking D help.

He has the Sabres and Leafs showing interest.

Phaneuf for O'Reilly?

Lebrun had Leafs and Coyotes being the suitors with the Yotes dangling Yandle. He guessed Leafs would have to offer Gardiner + pick.

 

[Tigger]

I would love to have O'Reilly.

Yeah, only caveat, he's a season and a half away from ufa.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Kyper on twitter claiming the Avs are putting out feelers regarding O'Reilly and are seeking D help.

He has the Sabres and Leafs showing interest.

Phaneuf for O'Reilly?

O'Reilly's the closest we would probably get to a top centre for a little while. If Colorado is shopping him Toronto needs to be involved.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Kyper on twitter claiming the Avs are putting out feelers regarding O'Reilly and are seeking D help.

He has the Sabres and Leafs showing interest.

Phaneuf for O'Reilly?

O'Reilly's the closest we would probably get to a top centre for a little while. If Colorado is shopping him Toronto needs to be involved.

I can't believe he's only 23 (24 in February).

 

[Captain Canuck]

There have been rumours of the Leafs interest in O'Reilly for 2+ years now. Talk is cheap, time for a top line centre!