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Idiocracy 2024

OldTimeHockey said:
herman is pretty bang on. I work in the steel manufacturing world. Much of our business relies on the coal industry and manufacturing jobs. The people that work these jobs look at the trends and see their jobs disappearing. Therefore, they can't feed their families. Trump plays to those fears and naturally gets their votes. I can tell you that there's not many of my coworkers on the US side that didn't vote Trump.
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If you work in the coal industry in the US, and your livelihood is your number one priority, one political party in the states is going to have a more favourable view of that industry. The Republicans have done a good job of targeting single issue voters.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
herman is pretty bang on. I work in the steel manufacturing world. Much of our business relies on the coal industry and manufacturing jobs. The people that work these jobs look at the trends and see their jobs disappearing. Therefore, they can't feed their families. Trump plays to those fears and naturally gets their votes. I can tell you that there's not many of my coworkers on the US side that didn't vote Trump.
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Some of that went back to Bill Clinton's implementation of NAFTA - decimated the Rust Belt. Those folks would never support Hillary in 2016 because of it. In fact Republicans were keen on doing something similar under GHW Bush but when those consequences were revealed, they backed off. Bill Clinton swash buckled NAFTA and the rest as they say is history. If Trump's tariffs wipe their jobs out (though I doubt they will let it get that far), it would probably swing the other way.
 
herman said:
Authoritarian/Autocratic regimes wipe out the education systems first for a reason.

For the proletariat, he just says what they want to hear, which resonates with their lives: everything sucks (and truly it does in many respects), and here's the reason why (points at transgendered people, or immigrants, or whoever) because of the Democrats doing this thing. Repeat ad nauseum. That's all they hear because that's what they want to hear.

Now when the policies are announced and implemented, there's not enough experience or critical thinking to see the implications. Or if they did see it coming, they thought it would only affect the immigrants or whoever is to blame, not them, the right people.
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For the wealthy: again he says what they want to hear - more wealth for you when he cuts taxes and strips away regulatory bodies and enforcement; all they have to do is pay up a bit and they can inject whatever policy they feel like.
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You also have people saying that they would vote for Trump again despite their child dying of measles because vaccines are unsafe. You can't make this stuff up.
 
dappleganger said:
If you work in the coal industry in the US, and your livelihood is your number one priority, one political party in the states is going to have a more favourable view of that industry. The Republicans have done a good job of targeting single issue voters.
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Do they have a more favourable view of that industry or have they just tapped into a grievance? Because as it stands right now Trump's GOP is only using them for votes. Definitely agree they've tapped into single issue voters.

The Simpsons called this 30yrs ago. "I don't approve of Bob's Bart killing policy, but I do approve of his Selma killing policy." *Votes for Sideshow Bob.

And later on: Deep down you want someone who will lower taxes, brutalize criminals and rule you like a king.
 
Bender said:
Do they have a more favourable view of that industry or have they just tapped into a grievance? Because as it stands right now Trump's GOP is only using them for votes. Definitely agree they've tapped into single issue voters.

The Simpsons called this 30yrs ago. "I don't approve of Bob's Bart killing policy, but I do approve of his Selma killing policy." *Votes for Sideshow Bob.

And later on: Deep down you want someone who will lower taxes, brutalize criminals and rule you like a king.
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Tapped into a grievance, for sure. The GOP knows jobs in a lot of these industries are never coming back in any significant way, but, as long as they never acknowledge it publicly and say they’ll fight for them (even though they never really do), they get the votes. That’s what the current GOP is about - leveraging grievances for votes, but doing little to nothing that actually addresses them in a meaningful way. These issues also make for useful distractions from all the other stuff they’re doing to enrich themselves and their cronies. It’s a pretty good scam when it works.
 
Bender said:
Do they have a more favourable view of that industry or have they just tapped into a grievance? Because as it stands right now Trump's GOP is only using them for votes. Definitely agree they've tapped into single issue voters.

The Simpsons called this 30yrs ago. "I don't approve of Bob's Bart killing policy, but I do approve of his Selma killing policy." *Votes for Sideshow Bob.

And later on: Deep down you want someone who will lower taxes, brutalize criminals and rule you like a king.
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You may have a point here...
 
Industries (and the corporations themselves) should have some responsibility to their workers as well; instead of researching and developing and adapting new technologies to improve and create a more sustainable process and revenue stream, they dump oodles of money into lobbying for the status quo until the cliff arrives. Then they dump people and blame the government the whole time.
 
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