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Idiocracy

HF1, would you please post less of the articles in your actual posts. Link to articles if you think they're worth reading but outside of some highlights the body text is unnecessary.
 
I'm struggling with the notion that a vote for Trump was a vote to indicate a displeasure with the establishment.

It was an election that saw the majority of incumbents re-elected despite a house/senate with historically low approval ratings.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Bullfrog said:
I think we need to be careful with suggesting those who vote Republican are possibly racist.
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It would be wrong to say they're definitely racist but they're certainly possibly racist.

Either way, they're certainly ok with voting for a racist which isn't yards better.
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Morally, no. Electorally, it means you can reach them.

Which is probably a better path forward for the American left than waiting for the Millennial map -- and other bits of demographic inevitability -- to arrive...
 
https://twitter.com/ShaunKing is sharing a lot of stories about hate crimes that have happened in the wake of Trump's victory. Blah blah isolated incidents and all that but still racists and bigots have essentially been given permission to be racists and bigots. This is just the beginning.

edit: here's a larger collection of stories from Day 1 of Trump's America: https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656
 
CarltonTheBear said:
https://twitter.com/ShaunKing is sharing a lot of stories about hate crimes that have happened in the wake of Trump's victory. Blah blah isolated incidents and all that but still racists and bigots have essentially been given permission to be racists and bigots. This is just the beginning.

edit: here's a larger collection of stories from Day 1 of Trump's America: https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656
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The things my wife hears on a daily basis at a Texas middle school would get you fired/expelled in any kind of civilized society.
 
The vote going the other way would not have solved racism/sexism/discrimination, merely continued to hide it. It's hard to defeat something that people deny the existence of. We've seen it ourselves here: they keep doing it because they don't know it's wrong.

It's out in broad daylight now. Between Brexit, Russia, France, ISIS, Boko Haram, and a Trumpublican US, we have tremendous fuel for education right on our door steps.

The election result is a great conversation starter to reach out to those of differing minds. Siloing with those we already agree with will only further the divides.
 
herman said:
The vote going the other way would not have solved racism/sexism/discrimination, merely continued to hide it. It's hard to defeat something that people deny the existence of. We've seen it ourselves here: they keep doing it because they don't know it's wrong.

It's out in broad daylight now. Between Brexit, Russia, France, ISIS, Boko Haram, and a Trumpublican US, we have tremendous fuel for education right on our door steps.

The election result is a great conversation starter to reach out to those of differing minds. Siloing with those we already agree with will only further the divides.
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That would be great, but a lot of the people that were emboldened by Trump are willfully ignorant. There's no conversation to be had with them, or any education that's going to reach them. They're akin to 5 year olds with their fingers in their ears (and, yes, I acknowledge there are many with the same attitude on the other side, as well). These aren't people that are doing things because they don't know they're wrong, they're people who genuinely hold these positions and attitudes. Too many of them are beyond reach.

Their young children, on the other hand, hopefully are not. They're the ones that need to be educated, to be exposed to other races and cultures, and to have the values of equality and respect for basic human rights and dignities enshrined within them. We need to fix the future generations, because, the unfortunate truth is, large swathes of the current generations are broken beyond repair.
 
Puerto Rico Suave said:
Great to see the Republicans owning the House, Senate, and (eventually) Supreme Court.  Don't screw this up, Trump.
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since trump ran on a platform of screwing up everything ...what is the metric for that success? 
 
bustaheims said:
herman said:
The vote going the other way would not have solved racism/sexism/discrimination, merely continued to hide it. It's hard to defeat something that people deny the existence of. We've seen it ourselves here: they keep doing it because they don't know it's wrong.

It's out in broad daylight now. Between Brexit, Russia, France, ISIS, Boko Haram, and a Trumpublican US, we have tremendous fuel for education right on our door steps.

The election result is a great conversation starter to reach out to those of differing minds. Siloing with those we already agree with will only further the divides.
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That would be great, but a lot of the people that were emboldened by Trump are willfully ignorant. There's no conversation to be had with them, or any education that's going to reach them. They're akin to 5 year olds with their fingers in their ears (and, yes, I acknowledge there are many with the same attitude on the other side, as well). These aren't people that are doing things because they don't know they're wrong, they're people who genuinely hold these positions and attitudes. Too many of them are beyond reach.

Their young children, on the other hand, hopefully are not. They're the ones that need to be educated, to be exposed to other races and cultures, and to have the values of equality and respect for basic human rights and dignities enshrined within them. We need to fix the future generations, because, the unfortunate truth is, large swathes of the current generations are broken beyond repair.
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The problem is that the hatred just continues.  You can expose children to as much as you want but the values that their parents place on them seem to override what society is trying explain to them.  Like at the hatred that exists in the middle east and how long it has been going on for.  It's pretty simple to say "Hey if you stop hating one another, and stop fighting, things might get better", but they just don't want to let it go. 
 
Puerto Rico Suave said:
Great to see the Republicans owning the House, Senate, and (eventually) Supreme Court.  Don't screw this up, Trump.
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Yay, hooray for censorship, war, climate destruction, unwanted births, no rights for minority groups and inheritance-wealthy people not sharing! Woo hoo!
 
Puerto Rico Suave said:
Great to see the Republicans owning the House, Senate, and (eventually) Supreme Court.  Don't screw this up, Trump.
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You mean, like last time they controlled the Whitehouse, Senate, and Congress in 1928. Anyone here remember what happened in 1929?
 
bustaheims said:
Puerto Rico Suave said:
Great to see the Republicans owning the House, Senate, and (eventually) Supreme Court.  Don't screw this up, Trump.
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You mean, like last time they controlled the Whitehouse, Senate, and Congress in 1928. Anyone here remember what happened in 1929?
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You wouldn't be referring to Wall Street by chance would you?
 
TBLeafer said:
bustaheims said:
Puerto Rico Suave said:
Great to see the Republicans owning the House, Senate, and (eventually) Supreme Court.  Don't screw this up, Trump.
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You mean, like last time they controlled the Whitehouse, Senate, and Congress in 1928. Anyone here remember what happened in 1929?
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You wouldn't be referring to Wall Street by chance would you?
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Something important may have happened on Wall Street, yes.
 
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