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Idiocracy

Frank E said:
They're trying to force China to do something about Kim Jong-un...he should scare you too.  All the years of diplomacy and economic sanctions haven't done the job, and this guy is about to have a nuclear weapon.

They've got to change the strategy here, fast.
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I mean, yeah, something needs to be done about the situation in North Korea, but, is actively provoking a volatile and illogical authoritarian regime the way to go? Kind feels like trying to put out a fire with gasoline, you know?
 
Frank E said:
They haven't had reliable mobile long-range ones.
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There's also virtually no evidence that they're motivated towards external conflict. Their "weapons program" is basically an ATM.
 
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ9vt1Kbrp4[/youtube]
So. Much. Cringe.

Happy Passover, friends who celebrate it.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Frank E said:
They haven't had reliable mobile long-range ones.
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There's also virtually no evidence that they're motivated towards external conflict.
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That's a big roll of the dice.  I'd rather their nuclear program be stopped before they have capability of reaching the US.  Once this guy has the capability....he'll do it.  Hopefully China steps in & takes care of business.  If not, somebody has to unfortunately.
 
OrangeBlack said:
Nik the Trik said:
Frank E said:
They haven't had reliable mobile long-range ones.
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There's also virtually no evidence that they're motivated towards external conflict.
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That's a big roll of the dice.  I'd rather their nuclear program be stopped before they have capability of reaching the US.  Once this guy has the capability....he'll do it.  Hopefully China steps in & takes care of business.  If not, somebody has to unfortunately.
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It is pretty scary when someone who's proven themselves to be mentally unstable and has a poor grasp of the world at large is given access to a nuclear arsenal. 
 
crazyperfectdevil said:
OrangeBlack said:
Nik the Trik said:
Frank E said:
They haven't had reliable mobile long-range ones.
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There's also virtually no evidence that they're motivated towards external conflict.
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That's a big roll of the dice.  I'd rather their nuclear program be stopped before they have capability of reaching the US.  Once this guy has the capability....he'll do it.  Hopefully China steps in & takes care of business.  If not, somebody has to unfortunately.
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It is pretty scary when someone who's proven themselves to be mentally unstable and has a poor grasp of the world at large is given access to a nuclear arsenal.
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Sounds orange and familiar.
 
The best long term strategy to rein in NK is to encourage them to integrate them into the rest of the world. Diplomacy is always the best course, particularly in this instance, and unfortunately Trump's idiocy is likely to set that back decades.
 
OrangeBlack said:
That's a big roll of the dice.  I'd rather their nuclear program be stopped before they have capability of reaching the US.  Once this guy has the capability....he'll do it.  Hopefully China steps in & takes care of business.  If not, somebody has to unfortunately.
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Yeah, I actually lived through the build up to the Iraq war and "We don't have evidence but we're certain of what will happen" didn't work on me then and it won't work on me now.

North Korea is a kleptocracy. They've figured out a way to extort the West. Thinking otherwise at this point is basically buying into their propaganda. Dopes like Trump think being a "tough guy" is by not paying while trying to charge NATO for protection.
 
Nik the Trik said:
OrangeBlack said:
That's a big roll of the dice.  I'd rather their nuclear program be stopped before they have capability of reaching the US.  Once this guy has the capability....he'll do it.  Hopefully China steps in & takes care of business.  If not, somebody has to unfortunately.
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Yeah, I actually lived through the build up to the Iraq war and "We don't have evidence but we're certain of what will happen" didn't work on me then and it won't work on me now.

North Korea is a kleptocracy. They've figured out a way to extort the West. Thinking otherwise at this point is basically buying into their propaganda. Dopes like Trump think being a "tough guy" is by not paying while trying to charge NATO for protection.
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I think this is much different that the Iraq war.  The evidence seems more concrete & clearly defined in this instance, than it was in the GWB/Iraq era.  There were a lot more doubters going into the Iraq war.  The NK dictator isn't going to extort much out of Trump except for the missile that lands in his lap.

As for NATO, that's exactly what it is.  There are costs to running a military & being the policeman, big brother, etc.  Nothing wrong with the other countries chipping in a few quarters to put in the jar with our dollars.
 
OrangeBlack said:
As for NATO, that's exactly what it is.  There are costs to running a military & being the policeman, big brother, etc.  Nothing wrong with the other countries chipping in a few quarters to put in the jar with our dollars.
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Except that it's not at all how NATO works. There's no NATO fund or anything like that. It's a partnership, but every country is 100% responsible covering their own military costs and always has. Demanding money for military services run directly in opposition to the reason NATO exists in the first place. Outside of exceptionally rare situations (once in the 70 years since the treaty was formed) are countries under any obligation to participate in military operations. The US doesn't chip a single penny into NATO. They pay for their own military, and choose to deploy them in NATO-related operations.
 
OrangeBlack said:
I think this is much different that the Iraq war.  The evidence seems more concrete & clearly defined in this instance, than it was in the GWB/Iraq era.
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Ok. Then give me one piece of actual evidence that suggests that North Korea wants to instigate a conflict with anyone. Who have they attacked? What's their long term strategy for expansion?

OrangeBlack said:
As for NATO, that's exactly what it is.  There are costs to running a military & being the policeman, big brother, etc.  Nothing wrong with the other countries chipping in a few quarters to put in the jar with our dollars.
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As someone from one of those other countries I can tell you that you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. When Canada takes part in NATO operations Canada funds its military, as do all other NATO members. It's not a protection racket being run by the American military.
 
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDRvTipbeqw[/youtube]

I think this might be too subtle for the intended audience.
 
Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - documents
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17L2N3

I thought Samantha Bee broke this story in October last year.
 
It seems in the past that the US has no problem going against NAFTA and even ignoring losses in the World Court so I have no doubt they will be winning the NAFTA renegotiating either, they hold the power.
cabber24 said:
Bates said:
It is and it was a disgrace when last couple US Govt's did it as well. 
cabber24 said:
This tariff BS is a complete "disgrace".
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Hopefully it's just some pre NAFTA negotiating posturing... but in the interim the pain is real.
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