Is Jared Cowen salvageable?

[Bullfrog]

So one thing to note is that injured players can't be bought out. Ottawa radio found it interesting that back in September he claimed that he felt the best he had in years, and that after he was traded he started to mention that his hip was bothering him.

For the sake of clarity, they can't be bought out without them agreeing to it. That being said, I don't think too many people would choose to stay in a situation where they know they're basically not wanted.

I'd refuse a buy-out if it was almost certainly my last NHL contract.

 

[herman]

Just kidding with the losing the job thing. Like LuncheonMeat said, he's with CP as their national hockey writer (upgrade).

When Babcock saw him in the Leafs scrum the day after this was announced, he quipped, "Hey, what are you doing here? I thought you quit."

The TSN Leafs beat appears to be covered by Mark Masters now (at least on the Twitter side). The regular daily articles are gone; there's quite enough coverage from the Insiders, Seravelli, et al. anyway.

 

[bustaheims]

I'd refuse a buy-out if it was almost certainly my last NHL contract.

Maybe, but I think I'd take my chances on getting another contract or a contract in Europe.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'd refuse a buy-out if it was almost certainly my last NHL contract.

Maybe, but I think I'd take my chances on getting another contract or a contract in Europe.

He'd be walking away from $3mil, don't think it happens.

Anyway, it sounds more like the Leafs medical team were the ones to find that Cowen's hips were tight, so I doubt he's trying to pull a fast one or anything.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I'd refuse a buy-out if it was almost certainly my last NHL contract.

Maybe, but I think I'd take my chances on getting another contract or a contract in Europe.

He'd be walking away from $3mil, don't think it happens.

Anyway, it sounds more like the Leafs medical team were the ones to find that Cowen's hips were tight, so I doubt he's trying to pull a fast one or anything.

I have a feeling Cowen will be given the 'end of your career' talk by Babcock at the end of this season. Work like you've never worked before, practice, train, diet, etc. Then you can come back to camp next year and fulfill your promise and prove everyone wrong. Or, your career is over.

 

[rdowdall]

I'd refuse a buy-out if it was almost certainly my last NHL contract.

Maybe, but I think I'd take my chances on getting another contract or a contract in Europe.

He'd be walking away from $3mil, don't think it happens.

Anyway, it sounds more like the Leafs medical team were the ones to find that Cowen's hips were tight, so I doubt he's trying to pull a fast one or anything.

I have a feeling Cowen will be given the 'end of your career' talk by Babcock at the end of this season. Work like you've never worked before, practice, train, diet, etc. Then you can come back to camp next year and fulfill your promise and prove everyone wrong. Or, your career is over.

I'm not so sure the speech will work.  He has to show that he can stay in the NHL before the end of the season.  He has a contract that has incentive to buy out.

 

[Kin]

Before the end of this season? Absolutely not. By the end of next season? More than likely not. He's just, you know, not very good. His value is really entirely based around the cap credit available from buying him out.

So I missed this the first time. How does the credit work?

 

[Rebel_1812]

So one thing to note is that injured players can't be bought out.  Ottawa radio found it interesting that back in September he claimed that he felt the best he had in years, and that after he was traded he started to mention that his hip was bothering him.

Loooouuuuu.... spooky coincidence...
Like that time Robidas said he felt great before the season started...

Oh man, I actually totally forgot the Leafs still have Robidas lol

Siegel kept trying to bring it up, and look where it got him. He lost his job covering the Leafs...  ;D

No shit.  He was actually pretty informative too.  I haven't been paying much attention to the leafs this year.  Not enough 'face punchers' on the team.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'd refuse a buy-out if it was almost certainly my last NHL contract.

Maybe, but I think I'd take my chances on getting another contract or a contract in Europe.

He'd be walking away from $3mil, don't think it happens.

Anyway, it sounds more like the Leafs medical team were the ones to find that Cowen's hips were tight, so I doubt he's trying to pull a fast one or anything.

Yeah, the hips don't lie.

 

[herman]

Before the end of this season? Absolutely not. By the end of next season? More than likely not. He's just, you know, not very good. His value is really entirely based around the cap credit available from buying him out.

So I missed this the first time. How does the credit work?

http://www.tsn.ca/mondaymustread-rare-contract-cap-credit-raises-cowen-s-value-1.428314

Cowen is in this unique situation because of his age and contract structure. Since he is under 26, his buyout would cost one-third of his remaining salary instead of two-thirds like most other players. He is also due $4.5 million in 2016-17, higher than his $3.1 million salary cap hit, which creates the credit.

 

[Kin]

Cowen is in this unique situation because of his age and contract structure. Since he is under 26, his buyout would cost one-third of his remaining salary instead of two-thirds like most other players. He is also due $4.5 million in 2016-17, higher than his $3.1 million salary cap hit, which creates the credit.

Yeah, I still don't entirely get it but, heck, if it's a good thing it's a good thing.

 

[herman]

Cowen is in this unique situation because of his age and contract structure. Since he is under 26, his buyout would cost one-third of his remaining salary instead of two-thirds like most other players. He is also due $4.5 million in 2016-17, higher than his $3.1 million salary cap hit, which creates the credit.

Yeah, I still don't entirely get it but, heck, if it's a good thing it's a good thing.

Yeah I don't get it either. Something about the salary being paid out in the buyout exceeding the cap hit.

 

[Deebo]

Cowen is in this unique situation because of his age and contract structure. Since he is under 26, his buyout would cost one-third of his remaining salary instead of two-thirds like most other players. He is also due $4.5 million in 2016-17, higher than his $3.1 million salary cap hit, which creates the credit.

Yeah, I still don't entirely get it but, heck, if it's a good thing it's a good thing.

The cap hit of a buy out is calculated by subtracting the actual dollar amount of the savings from the cap hit.

In this case, Cowen is due 4.5M for the 2016-17 season and the cap hit is 3.1M,

Since Cowen is under 26, the buyout amount is 1/3 of that 4.5M split over 2 years or 750k per year.

The actual dollar amount of the savings in 2016-17 is 3.75M (4.5M - 750k)

So Cap hit (3.1M) minus savings (3.75M) is -650k which is the cap credit for 16/17.

 

[herman]

Cowen is in this unique situation because of his age and contract structure. Since he is under 26, his buyout would cost one-third of his remaining salary instead of two-thirds like most other players. He is also due $4.5 million in 2016-17, higher than his $3.1 million salary cap hit, which creates the credit.

Yeah, I still don't entirely get it but, heck, if it's a good thing it's a good thing.

The cap hit of a buy out is calculated by subtracting the actual dollar amount of the savings from the cap hit.

In this case, Cowen is due 4.5M for the 2016-17 season and the cap hit is 3.1M,

Since Cowen is under 26, the buyout amount is 1/3 of that 4.5M split over 2 years or 750k per year.

The actual dollar amount of the savings in 2016-17 is 3.75M (4.5M - 750k)

So Cap hit (3.1M) minus savings (3.75M) is -650k which is the cap credit for 16/17.

You've explained it perfectly.

I still don't get it

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Cowen is in this unique situation because of his age and contract structure. Since he is under 26, his buyout would cost one-third of his remaining salary instead of two-thirds like most other players. He is also due $4.5 million in 2016-17, higher than his $3.1 million salary cap hit, which creates the credit.

Yeah, I still don't entirely get it but, heck, if it's a good thing it's a good thing.

The cap hit of a buy out is calculated by subtracting the actual dollar amount of the savings from the cap hit.

In this case, Cowen is due 4.5M for the 2016-17 season and the cap hit is 3.1M,

Since Cowen is under 26, the buyout amount is 1/3 of that 4.5M split over 2 years or 750k per year.

The actual dollar amount of the savings in 2016-17 is 3.75M (4.5M - 750k)

So Cap hit (3.1M) minus savings (3.75M) is -650k which is the cap credit for 16/17.

You've explained it perfectly.

I still don't get it

LOL, you beat me to it.

 

[Al14]

I never thought Cowan deserved to be drafted where he was.

I'm not sure who we would have drafted if Burke had flipped the pick with Murray.

I really think Cowan may be traded as part of a package at the deadline if he is healthy by then.

I think Babcock could salvage Cowan if he could train him to be a mean, stay at home, protect the front of the net type Dman.  He would still only be a 3rd pairing D at best, as his skating and mobility are just not great.

 

[Al14]

I never thought Cowan deserved to be drafted where he was.

I'm not sure who we would have drafted if Burke had flipped the pick with Murray.

I really think Cowan may be traded as part of a package at the deadline if he is healthy by then.

I think Babcock could salvage Cowan if he could train him to be a mean, stay at home, protect the front of the net type Dman.  He would still only be a 3rd pairing D at best, as his skating and mobility are just not great.

 

[Bullfrog]

Babcock's a great coach.

Babcock's not a wizard.

 

[McGarnagle]

I think Babcock could salvage Cowan if he could train him to be a mean, stay at home, protect the front of the net type Dman.  He would still only be a 3rd pairing D at best, as his skating and mobility is just not great.

I'm not sure it's worth "salvaging" a guy with a 3.1M cap hit to play as your 7th d. He's not going to be traded for anything to do with his hockey skills. Surely he'll be moved for next to nothing when a team needs the cap credit.

 

[dappleganger]

Don Cherry on Coach's Corner last night said Cowen was salvageable. I guess that settles this debate.