Joffrey Lupul

[Bullfrog]

Lupul out with sore-headitis.

 

[bustaheims]

And even if it wasn't one, at this point they couldn't call it anything else without being ripped on further because a ton of people had their minds made up about what it was when it happened.

That's part of the problem, too. There are other injuries that cause very similar symptoms to a concussion, and, to us lay-people and even those medical professionals among us, it can be difficult to diagnose - especially when none of us have had the opportunity to actually get close enough to perform a real diagnosis. We all knew all along it was most likely a concussion, but, until the doctors that examined Lupul said for sure, there's really no reason to start calling it one in the media.

 

[Highlander]

keep him out until the playoffs, if we falter and need the points bring him back to help secure the spot...we need to be in this year.

 

[Bullfrog]

I disagree. When the doctors clear him, I except him to be playing in the very next game.

He's only played 10 games this year. Obviously he's played extremely well, but he needs more hockey. I want him on a roll when the playoffs come around, not going in cold.

 

[Highlander]

Going in hot??? The guy gets out of bed ready to score goals....as proven this season. Let his brain get better rather than risk it in a relapse..

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Or just wrap him in Bubble wrap!

Seriously, if a team was to keep a player out because they're worried he might relapse, well they're in the wrong profession.

If the doctor clears him, he plays. If he relapses, he relapses.

 

[L K]

Or just wrap him in Bubble wrap!

Seriously, if a team was to keep a player out because they're worried he might relapse, well they're in the wrong profession.

If the doctor clears him, he plays. If he relapses, he relapses.

Pretty much.  There's two key reasons for this:
1) There is no evidence to suggest a given risk factor for repeat concussions after having a concussion.  There is a perceived increased risk of concussion after an initial head injury but there is no evidence for how long this risk lasts.
2) There is no evidence to suggest that more time off creates a safer environment for repeat injury.

Once he is asymptomatic and can handle the rigours of full contact practice there is no reason that he can't be in the lineup.  By all means you could keep him out of say 1 or 2 back-to-back games if he got cleared in the late afternoon before the first one to be cautious, but prolonged layoff just for the hell of it.  Well there isn't any evidence for it.

 

[Highlander]

LK your not a Doctor but do play one on TV....no one wants to see Lupul in the lineup more than I do but only at 100% and guys tend to lie a bit on the brain thing as they want to play so badly...anyone who has played competitive sports (including me) will admit that.

 

[Redleaf]

One of the best things about the blowout last night is that it gives Lups some breathing room for his comeback push. He might as well pull a Brian Wilson for the next week or so and just watch movies in bed.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

LK your not a Doctor but do play one on TV....no one wants to see Lupul in the lineup more than I do but only at 100% and guys tend to lie a bit on the brain thing as they want to play so badly...anyone who has played competitive sports (including me) will admit that.

He actually is a doctor, or is very near completion of his medical degree.

 

[CoachKirill]

@markhmasters: Joffrey Lupul has been cleared for contact; says he's 'close' to return

That's good news! He will have few games before playoffs. Better than going right into hard hitting games vs Montreal or Boson.

@markhmasters: Lupul didn't seem too impressed with Carlyle's 'bubble wrap' joke; 'I don't know about that,' he says[/]
Whatever. It was funny!

 

[dappleganger]

Or just wrap him in Bubble wrap!

Seriously, if a team was to keep a player out because they're worried he might relapse, well they're in the wrong profession.

If the doctor clears him, he plays. If he relapses, he relapses.

Pretty much.  There's two key reasons for this:
1) There is no evidence to suggest a given risk factor for repeat concussions after having a concussion.  There is a perceived increased risk of concussion after an initial head injury but there is no evidence for how long this risk lasts.
2) There is no evidence to suggest that more time off creates a safer environment for repeat injury.

There is evidence that after receiving a concussion you are more likely to have another concussion.

http://www.aans.org/Patient%20Information/Conditions%20and%20Treatments/Concussion.aspx

 

[L K]

Or just wrap him in Bubble wrap!

Seriously, if a team was to keep a player out because they're worried he might relapse, well they're in the wrong profession.

If the doctor clears him, he plays. If he relapses, he relapses.

Pretty much.  There's two key reasons for this:
1) There is no evidence to suggest a given risk factor for repeat concussions after having a concussion.  There is a perceived increased risk of concussion after an initial head injury but there is no evidence for how long this risk lasts.
2) There is no evidence to suggest that more time off creates a safer environment for repeat injury.

There is evidence that after receiving a concussion you are more likely to have another concussion.

http://www.aans.org/Patient%20Information/Conditions%20and%20Treatments/Concussion.aspx

http://journals.lww.com/neurosurgery/Abstract/2009/11000/Effects_of_A_Symptom_Free_Waiting_Period_on.4.aspx

It's a short-term transient risk that gets covered in general "Return to Play" guidelines for keeping someone off the field/ice for 7-10 days which is the average length of mild post-concussive symptom recovery.  The real inherent risk for repeat concussion most likely lies more in the acts that the player is undertaking. 

The "bubble wrapped" Lupul would be at very low risk of concussion because he wouldn't be involved in a physical sport where there is a risk of repeated head injury.  There is an inherent predisposition to shear forces resulting in a concussion that hasn't full been pulled from research data at this point but beyond the short term, the "time off to prevent reinjury" aspect of things has largely been anecdotal evidence that doesn't bear out in data.  Most of it lies in the "better to be safe than sorry" territory rather than hard reproductible evidence.

 

[Deebo]

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/323819680047448065

Randy Carlyle says Joffrey Lupul is available to play for the #leafs tonight. Decision will be made this afternoon.

 

[sickbeast]

Lupul was combative with the media and Carlyle last night after the loss to Washington.  He complained that he was only used late in the first period, and then contradicted Carlyle saying that he was not cleared for play the day before.  He also said that the reason he was playing again was because he passed some tests.  He did not appear comfortable to talk about it, nor did he seem happy with how things were handled.  He probably also did not like hearing that Carlyle called him out for his play, calling him "very rusty".

 

[Redleaf]

Lupul was combative with the media and Carlyle last night after the loss to Washington.  He complained that he was only used late in the first period, and then contradicted Carlyle saying that he was not cleared for play the day before.  He also said that the reason he was playing again was because he passed some tests.  He did not appear comfortable to talk about it, nor did he seem happy with how things were handled.  He probably also did not like hearing the Carlyle called him out for his play, calling him "very rusty".

You noticed that too eh? Sounds like Carlyle put him before he was cleared, doesn't it?

 

[sickbeast]

Lupul was combative with the media and Carlyle last night after the loss to Washington.  He complained that he was only used late in the first period, and then contradicted Carlyle saying that he was not cleared for play the day before.  He also said that the reason he was playing again was because he passed some tests.  He did not appear comfortable to talk about it, nor did he seem happy with how things were handled.  He probably also did not like hearing the Carlyle called him out for his play, calling him "very rusty".

You noticed that too eh? Sounds like Carlyle put him before he was cleared, doesn't it?

Well, Carlyle and Lupul have history dating back to their time in Anaheim.  It's gotta be hard for Lupul coming back from an injury like that.  Look what it did to Reimer, and Reimer's hit looked far less serious than what happened to Lupul.  I don't know that Carlyle necessarily put him in before he was cleared, but I know that a lot of people were hoping he would hold off for a bit to make sure that he's good for the playoffs.  Lupul has a concussion history.  I hope he is ok.  There is something fishy about the situation though.  I don't like how the Leafs were so hesistant to call it a concussion.  They really should have learned from Reimer's injury how to handle this type of situation better.  Things like this are going to make Toronto a less desirable place to play for the players.

 

[TML fan]

I'm pretty sure that regardless of being medically cleared to play, if Lupul felt uncomfortable playing he wouldn't have played.

 

[sickbeast]

I just find it interesting that Lupul called out Carlyle in response to Carlyle calling him out first.  To me, Carlyle was right and Lupul should have just admitted that he did not have a good game.  He made a bunch of excuses and really acted childish IMO.  He will probably be spoken to about it.  Like I said, I think that his history with Carlyle probably played into it.

 

[TML fan]

I'm not hearing his complaining. He said he didn't really get into the game early on. Well, for one thing, he took a stupid penalty on his first shift so there's two minutes right there.

He then said the Caps were better at everything, which was true, and basically was saying the whole team was off himself included, and that he wasn't going to attribute any of his poor play to his concussion.